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malvarez1
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:53 am
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It’s a smart move to not announce a date yet, they need to make sure it’s deep in production first.
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TheSleepyMonkey
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:38 am
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I'm not expecting miracles, but hopefully this isn't a production disaster like S1 was. Given how AOT ended, Kawagoe's production line can maybe full focus on this now.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:10 pm
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Despite the production hiccups of S1, this was quite popular, and I enjoyed the story. Here’s hoping S2 gives the people making it more time to breathe.
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jdnation
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:33 pm
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The manga is done, right? Will this adapt the whole story? I can't imagine it was long... Looking forward to it !
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Nachtwandler
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:14 pm
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Peple really exaggered S1 production issues, just because thay hoped for mind-blowing adaptation of action scenes but just got a decent one.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:17 pm
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He looks like a Ryota Suzuki character. I'm sure he'll be totally okay with his brethren working with convicts!
I hope the production holds up together better, but I also want the animators to be okay.
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TheSleepyMonkey
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:44 pm
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Nachtwandler wrote: | Peple really exaggered S1 production issues, just because thay hoped for mind-blowing adaptation of action scenes but just got a decent one. |
This really is not a case of "hoping for a mind-blowing adaptation", Jigokuraku genuinely looked way below average. I wouldn't say it's one of the worst things I've seen, because it isn't. But the visual quality goes really downhill as early as episode 3, and not in a "by MAPPA standards" kind of way, a lot of episodes genuinely look terrible. Between characters constantly looking off-model in almost every scene they're in, overly blurry compositing that hides the otherwise amazing art direction, stiff if not outright broken action, straight up missing uncolored frames in later episodes, etc. It's not that much different from what JJK is going through, except that JJK has a lot of really strong animation power and far better aesthetics to hide those problems.
And even taking all of that aside? When people talk about an anime having "production issues", they're not necessarily speaking of the quality of the final product itself, but rather behind the scenes problems, and in that sense, it was not exaggerated in the slightest. The fact that even as early as ep 2 the anime had 27 animation directors total and that the episodes constantly needed a huge amount of 2nd KA and multiple outside studios credited for animation direction really speaks of how bad the production was.
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Nachtwandler
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:51 pm
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TheSleepyMonkey wrote: |
Nachtwandler wrote: | Peple really exaggered S1 production issues, just because thay hoped for mind-blowing adaptation of action scenes but just got a decent one. |
This really is not a case of "hoping for a mind-blowing adaptation", Jigokuraku genuinely looked way below average. I wouldn't say it's one of the worst things I've seen, because it isn't. But the visual quality goes really downhill as early as episode 3, and not in a "by MAPPA standards" kind of way, a lot of episodes genuinely look terrible. Between characters constantly looking off-model in almost every scene they're in, overly blurry compositing that hides the otherwise amazing art direction, stiff if not outright broken action, straight up missing uncolored frames in later episodes, etc. It's not that much different from what JJK is going through, except that JJK has a lot of really strong animation power and far better aesthetics to hide those problems.
And even taking all of that aside? When people talk about an anime having "production issues", they're not necessarily speaking of the quality of the final product itself, but rather behind the scenes problems, and in that sense, it was not exaggerated in the slightest. The fact that even as early as ep 2 the anime had 27 animation directors total and that the episodes constantly needed a huge amount of 2nd KA and multiple outside studios credited for animation direction really speaks of how bad the production was. |
I am being sarcastic here but the thing is, I don't get the "below avarage" thing everybody is talking about. I watched the whole season and it looked mostly average by anime standarts for me with some action scenes jumping above average. Everybody was talking about how bad it was but could not show the actual evidence besides a couple of relatively minor desing mistake moments. It was far better than a lot of anime nowerdays.
For me personally definition of bad production is something akin to current Kingdoms of Ruin. And definition of below average is something like I Was Banished from Heroes Party level. Hells Paradise definetly was not on that level for me.
And MAPPA is known for their bad production schedules nowerdays, they still manage to produce a better quility result than some other studios known for the same thing.
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DangerMouse
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:49 pm
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Hell yes, looking forward to it.
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