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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:39 am
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Answerman wrote: | but at one point several American editions were outranking the Japanese discs in Amazon.co.jp's search results. It freaked the Japanese producers out so much that we came very close to getting no more anime Blu-rays in North America, ever. |
I have wondered for a while when this crisis occurred. I started buying anime on BD around 2011, when big publishers like Funimation and Sentai started offering many (but not all) of their products on BD.
Perhaps because I was not a very informed fan of anime 4 years ago or the fact that I have never bought the threat of reverse importation, but I don't remember the time when Japanese companies freaked out to the point of not wanting N.A. publishers to sell BD anime discs anymore.
I am very interested in reading a column (I assume no one at ANN has written such column) that details the moment when reverse importation fears were at its height.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:46 am
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I didn't know that no blu-ray at all was a possibility. At least they picked the less drastic option of delaying the N.A. release of a show, or even requiring that the HD version not come out until quit a while after the DVD.
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Gasero
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:51 am
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I find it hilariously sad that, instead of pricing the disc releases to compromise with market demand, the Japanese publishers just introduced more restrictions.
I guess it has worked because their market is still holding on. I'm not sure how much piracy perpetuates in Japan, but I assume it is increasing with restrictions like that.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:52 am
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I remember that. I heard some rumors that said that there would be no more US anime blurays ever again. Of course, I thought it was just another stupid internet rumor, and didn't think twice about it. I'm quite shocked to learn that it was indeed almost true.
@above poster: the Japanese demand is almost inelastic. A decrease in price does NOT bring an equivalent increase in sales. This has been tested on the Japanese anime market. If they lower the price they WILL lose money.
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:55 am
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The restrictions only really work on hardware players, as long as you're on PC and have adequate software they don't essentially matter. If the user wants to bypass them, there's nothing stopping him, or her.
Region codes, region change counter, locked/grayed-out subtitles/audio, Cinavia, etc. As long as it's on PC and that PC is under your control, there's a way around it.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:57 am
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Yes, Blanchimont, that's true. But most people either don't have the technical knowledge or the patience to do that. If they can't just pt the disk in the player and watch the content, it's worthless to them.
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Rhys2753
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:00 pm
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Now if only we could get an answer as to why Sentai has been locking their DVD releases as well.
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PurpleWarrior13
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:07 pm
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There's ways around the locked subtitles too. I've never tried it, but isn't there a way to manually move them off the screen or something?
It's also why some Japanese Blu-rays have full English subtitles and even English dubs. With some, like Gundam UC and The Origin, the dub was even commissioned for the Japanese Blu-rays. O.o
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:12 pm
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Why not just release it dub only? The chances of someone in Japan wanting to import a show without a JP dub or JP subs is highly unlikely. A lot of people mostly buy the home release for the dub. Sure it may narrow your market slightly, however since most buy the home release listen to the dub, the pros out way the cons.
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Mr Adventure
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:19 pm
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MarshalBanana wrote: | Why not just release it dub only? |
Because I would barf all over the floor.
There have been a few releases like this (Persona 4 TV springs to mind). They are very, VERY, unattractive as a result. More so then even DVD only anime releases.
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Animegomaniac
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:19 pm
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angelmcazares wrote: |
I am very interested in reading a column (I assume no one at ANN has written such column) that details the moment when reverse importation fears were at its height. |
2016 and beyond because we're not at the height yet; There's too many companies producing too much anime and each company is trying to grab a larger piece of a smaller pie... before bankruptcy kicks I. I for one can't imagine that Manglobe is the only anime company in debt.
I am seeing a lot more of "no BD at all" releases or missing episodes or Special Edition releases only or four episodes per set in addition to delayed BD on top of delayed still DVD releases and a lot les of the "one season on two BDs" releases that were coming out by the half dozen every month a few years ago. Against worldwide same day streaming, the whole Japanese business restriction model is looking pretty silly; They're still trying to form their market to their product rather than change the product to match its market.
The North American physical release has to be undesirable to the Japanese audience... because finding new sources of revenue- can't imagine what that would be- is alien to these people. "What we've always done will always work for us. Two episodes was fine for VHS, was fine for DVD and is fine for BD."
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:20 pm
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MarshalBanana, you are VERY wrong on that. If what you said was true there would not be any sub-only releases, and that's obviously not true. Do you even have any source on your " most buy the home release listen to the dub" statement?
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sdsyukichan
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:20 pm
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If they released dub-only discs in the US, sales would decline dramatically. You're probably right in saying a lot of people do buy the US releases for the dub, but I would say most people buy series they enjoyed when they originally watched it in Japanese, and would watch it again that way. I personally would never buy a dub-only release.
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Catsplay
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:20 pm
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MarshalBanana wrote: | Why not just release it dub only? The chances of someone in Japan wanting to import a show without a JP dub or JP subs is highly unlikely. A lot of people mostly buy the home release for the dub. Sure it may narrow your market slightly, however since most buy the home release listen to the dub, the pros out way the cons. |
That would be the biggest [expletive] slap in the face to American anime fans ever. I buy many shows not for the dub but for the sake of owning that series in my collection. I love Little Busters and Shakugan No Shana, but dislike the dubs of both. If I couldn't watch those series in sub form then I would be beyond pissed (I have bought both these series from Sentai and FUNimation respectively). Some series I wouldn't mind just owning for the dub, like Highschool DxD, but what you're suggesting is literally the most ridiculous thing ever and would kill the anime industry in the US.
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omiya
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:26 pm
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Greed1914 wrote: | I didn't know that no blu-ray at all was a possibility. At least they picked the less drastic option of delaying the N.A. release of a show, or even requiring that the HD version not come out until quit a while after the DVD. |
Well, I'm surprised that these options weren't listed in the article itself.
Delaying blu-ray releases in English speaking countries seems to be a common way to discourage reverse-importing.
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