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commandorock
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i haven't watched the show in years, so when i subsribed to a site to watch it again. to my utter siadppointment i found out the show had been redubbed...and it was bad..
the original dubbed series(1998) is called samuraix and the recentlly made 1 is called rurouni kenshin(2003) so for those who have watched both versions, which do you prefer? share yout thoughts and ideas- ps:if you happen to know where i can find 'samurai x' please tell me.. i've been dieing to watch that version.the dubbing and dialogues have changed so much,and for the worse i feel as if they have just destroyed a masterpeice |
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HitokiriShadow
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The original TV series is titled "Rurouni Kenshin". The sequel/prequel OVAs are titled "Samurai X". There have been no 're-dubs'.
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commandorock
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oh yes there have been. i even have the tapes to prove with the title of the show labelled as samuraix.
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HitokiriShadow
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Then please, do show some pictures of these tapes. This may help clarify things.
Also, we ARE talking about the U.S. English release, right? |
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Tony K.
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Rurouni Kenshin is the TV series. It came out in the mid 90s and was 95 episodes long divided among three seasons.
Season one is some of the original material from the manga, but with filler and spliced storyline throughout (episodes 1-27). Season two is the ever popular Kyoto arc and sticks to the manga material to perfection retelling the whole story, practically panel for panel and with no filler (episodes 28-62). Season three is the notorious filler season where not a single episode sticks to the orginal story, which was so bad that it eventually led to the series being cancelled. I do not recommend you watch this as a part of the Kenshin anime experience unless you're just really desperate (episodes 63-95) The OAV Rurouni Kenshin: Tsuioku-hen was made about a year after the TV series ended to make up for the crappy season three and retell that last part of the manga. It was licensed by ADV in association with Sony Entertainment and renamed "Samurai X" to make it sound cool, but the original name is still Rurouni Kenshin. What you're referring to is most likely the ADV dub of Tsuioku-hen, where as the TV series was actually licensed by a different company, Media Blasters, after ADV had already licensed Tsuioku-hen first. And yes, they have different English voice actors. ADV simply had licensed the OAV and changed the name before anyone got to see the TV series in the U.S., which is why I resent them a bit for misleading people with that crappy, bastardizing, yet marketable misnomer. It confuses people, and personally, sounds very cheesy to me. I personally can't stand the dubs for either ADV or MB, so if you want some kind of continuity, I'd suggest you listen to both of them in Japanese. And just so you know, the OAV was meant to be seen after the TV series, particularly after the Kyoto arc. Tsuioku-hen serves as a prequel to the impending Jinchuu arc that comes up right after Kyoto in the manga. Unfortunately, the second OAV did a terrible job at trying to cram all of the material into a one hour series. The creator of Kenshin even disowned it because it was so bad. But anyway, the time line for the whole anime goes like this: TV series (1-62) Tsuioku-hen (first OAV, "Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal") Seisouhen (second OAV, "Samurai X: Reflections") There's also a movie, but it has absolutely nothing do with the original story. If you want to watch it anyway, you can put it between the TV series and Tsuioku-hen. |
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saninslayer
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i've seen all of the dubbed rurouni kenshin and i think that it is better than the other one. i've only seen some of the samurai x dub.
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God Gundam
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You don't even know what you're talking about. RK came out in 1995; it only premiered on Toonami in 2003. "Samurai X" is a completely different series, it's the Kenshin OVA that takes place before the TV series. The only other dub of the TV series is the one from the Phillipines, which is also known as "Samurai X"; perhaps this is the "bastardization" you're talking about, as the American dub if faithful to the original script (mostly) and features decent voice actors. |
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saninslayer
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na he's right i've seen two different versions of the same show. difference is that the voice actors were changed and it was released under another name. |
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Pepperidge
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Before Media Blasters got the rights, Sony produced their own English dub of the Rurouni Kenshin TV series under the title "Samurai X". It played in some test markets, but had no takers in the US, so they sold off the rights to Media Blasters.
There are, indeed, two dubs of the TV series. In fact, I believe Sony's original dub is playing in the UK as we speak. |
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HitokiriShadow
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Sony didn't dub the whole series, did they? That wouldn't make much sense.
Anyway, that's the first I've heard of it, and that is likely what the original poster is thinking about. |
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vickeyv
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There is indeed the Sony Dub and in case if you get the Anime channel Animax they show it, so there's your proof.
I have seen it like way back when Animax hadn't branched off from AXN. Actually it was the thing that really got me going into Kenshin and the greater part of Anime. There were some major changes like for Example Sanosouke Sagara was nearly always refered to as Sano where as in the Media Blasters dub he is refered to as Sanosouke just the way they do it in the Japanese version i guess. They translated the moves like Kenshin saying Hiten Mitsuryugi style Nine headed Dragons Lights and stuff like Tornado slash and Aoshi going Revloving Sword Dance And Sano with the extreme Fist technique They kept Gatotosu for Satou thu........... THe dubbing was immaculate according to me but people will never recognize it since it had too many script changes. @Commandrock They actualy haven't ruined a master piece they have given it a more likely to be appreciated dub, the Sony dub was more like for younger audiences. But i love both, leaning in favour of the Sony dub because of Sentimental reasons, but i think moves names should be translated its cool that way. |
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blackmage
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well i really like samurai x oav a lot more than the rurouni kenshin tv series since samurai x was a lot more violent and had better fighting scenes than rurouni kenshin.though this is just my opinion
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halochief_90
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Tony K.
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However, I feel it would serve as a greater transition going from the TV series to OAV. Even in the manga you see Kenshin and company being so cheery for the longest time until - bam. A really dark and depressing flashback that provides an excellent contrast to what you've been seeing thus far. Plus, I've heard lots of people really dog the series after going OAV first, then TV. It's unfotunate and unfair they'd feel that way and I find it insulting if they try to even separate them into completely divided entities, when they are, in fact, the same thing, just produced at different times by different companies. If anyone here is like that, then at least read the manga to catch the Jinchuu arc, let alone get the whole and complete story from the beginning and through the flashback with the best continuity possible (as do most manga compared to their anime counterparts, aside from maybe Monster and, I think, Mushishi). |
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frentymon
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As dramatic as the manga storyline making up Tsuiokuhen is, it still retains the feel of the series as a whole. spoiler[The discussions of battle among the Choshu are pretty much in the same kind of tone as the words of the Meiji leaders during Shishio's appearance and Yamamoto's words to Kenshin early on in the series. There's the same style of comedy being integrated as well. Also, the assassins toward the end of the OAV fought Kenshin one by one using specialized techniques (those affecting the senses in this case), which is much reminescent of the one-by-one fights against the Juppon Gatana during the Shishio arc.]
Tsuiokuhen seems to dull down, and even drop, much of the "shounen feel" in the original manga flashback. It seems to me that Studio DEEN purposely dramatized Tsuiokuhen and made the series more tragic while less light hearted in nature. They used darker colors in the animation, no happy and light-hearted music at all (and from Yakitate!! Japan we know that composer Taku Iwasaki is perfectly capable of composing comedical songs), made spoiler[Tomoe's death] more dramatic, and the overall "tone" of the OAV was more melancholy than the manga storyline. This could possibly have been done to actually purposefully draw a clear distinction between the OAVs (Seisouhen was really no better than Tsuiokuhen at all) and the series which became so unpopular that it was cancelled on TV. By doing this, they can say, "Hey, look. We've got something great here, and it's barely related to that TV series, so please don't compare our wonderful creation with that flop." Just my theory anyway. |
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