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varmintx



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 12:15 am Reply with quote
I could have sworn there was an official thread for the series, but there isn't one in the index and I didn't find one by searching.

Anyway, for those of you who haven't made their way over to Chris Beveridge's new home, there is a wonderful write-up for Princess Tutu by Sean Connolly. I'm sure most of you haven't seen it, but it's a wonderful little series and fans of Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica should probably give it a try. Or...I don't know, maybe some of you just watched Black Swan and need to satiate a newly acquired appetite for ballet-themed works. Smile

If you don't feel like taking Connolly's advice about buying the series, Netflix does have all the discs available for rent.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:07 am Reply with quote
I think you'll be surprised at how much of a following Princess Tutu already has around here. It has been heavily promoted through a combination of reviews and prominent tournament appearances by some of its characters (Tutu was co-winner of our Best Hero/Heroine Tournament) and is a favorite of almost anyone who's seen it, including me.
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zawa113



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:39 am Reply with quote
varmintx wrote:
If you don't feel like taking Connolly's advice about buying the series,

Nah, everyone should just give up and buy it. After you see it, you will anyway, so anyone on the fence, you'd be saving yourself time just buying it from the get go. Shame it's in an accursed spindle pack, but that's kinda the only bad thing about it. Well, that and the name, it doesn't exactly make you go "sounds awesome".

I saw the series once, bought the set, then watched it like 4 more times (so far)
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:17 am Reply with quote
I watched a fansub of the first episode after reading here the ravings of classicalzawa and others, and then promptly ordered the series. (Luckily in Oz, Madman sells it in a "fatpack" so each disk has its own spindle.)

When it arrived in the mail, it was so compelling I watched the whole thing in one sitting.

Here's how I reviewed it in "My Anime":

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Starts off as a delightful magical girl anime with potential and ends up not only living up to its promise but also delivering much, much more. It doesn’t just go beyond the magical girl genre, it completely blows it out of the water. And it doesn’t do this by undermining the genre, or satirising it, or becoming an otaku moe-fest. It follows the simple route of completely transcending it. It doesn’t hurt that the main character is both lovable and interesting, whatever her transformation – duck, ballet student or Princess Tutu. It also doesn’t hurt that our understanding and appreciation of the other three protagonists (Mytho, Fakir and Rue) end up in completely different places from where they started. Or what starts as a children’s story ends up going to some dark places indeed. Or that it plays some very adult post-modern games with our expectations. Or that who ends up with who defies normal fairy tale conventions. Or that some wonderfully surreal things keep popping up before our eyes. Or that the fate of the main character is satisfyingly apt, if bittersweet. Above all, Princess Tutu is a celebration of the joy and wonder of anime. Classical music (ballet scores for the most part along with large doses of Pictures at an Exhibition) is an integral part of the story and accompanies all the climactic scenes that are inevitably resolved through dance. The sheer beauty of it creates an intensely emotional response.


Which is basically what Sean Connolly is saying, but somewhat more succintly.
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zawa113



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:51 am Reply with quote
errinundra wrote:
(Luckily in Oz, Madman sells it in a "fatpack" so each disk has its own spindle.)

Actually, the first R1 release was in a thickpack, I have that one, but people buying it today R1 are stuck with the spindle. Oh well, still worth it!.

Glad my lunatic ranting got someone to buy it though! Hopefully people will also see my PT avatar, I more or less went "haven't had a PT one in a while, have I?" and I don't recall having used Rue before.
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ShinobiX



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:18 am Reply with quote
Personally, not my thing. Can tell its not their thing for a lot of people seeing how most anime, well lets just say not many Tutu clones being made so....tastes change overtime?

Anyway didn't dig watching people fight in tights all the time. Need blood. Apart from that, the anime was good and did most things right so yeah flap your wings Ahiru.

I recommend it too for reasons stated above, but at the same token it is highly overrated. Don't get me wrong. It's a good anime, but overrated. All Tutu has going for it, is the story. If you don't like the story well no point watching the anime. No tits, wouldn't call that action, repetitive, story drags on like Monster, typical mundane love story (diff. is Tutu does it right), what else....oh yes Tutu can be annoying sometimes. Only reason it was a success overseas is because the anime heavily incorporated Western themes. It's an old anime but if you watch it and compare it to today's anime, you'll see how different it is. Location, setting, character traits, history, language (believe anime used lots of French), etc.
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Aylinn



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:46 am Reply with quote
varmintx wrote:
it's a wonderful little series

Yes, it definitely is. Princess Tutu, with its dark elements, reminds me of all the cool and sinister Grimms' Brothers fairy tales that I read in childhood, Twisted Evil but it’s a good story for children and adults.
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I recommend it too for reasons stated above, but at the same token it is highly overrated. Don't get me wrong. It's a good anime, but overrated. All Tutu has going for it, is the story.

I don't agree I watched it as much for the characters as for the story.
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No tits,

If you expect tits in every anime then, yes, it is not for you.
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wouldn't call that action, repetitive, story drags on like Monster

This is an amusing accusation to read form someone that rated Bleach as a masterpiece. I don't mean to be offensive. I'm just curious how could you find it annoying that Princess Tutu is repetitive and 'dragging on' while Bleach does exactly the same things to a much greater extent?
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ShinobiX



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:21 am Reply with quote
Hmmm. Should I? lol nooooooooooooooooooooo but why not bored.

Aylinn wrote:

I don't agree I watched it as much for the characters as for the story.

Character makes the story.

If you expect tits in every anime then, yes, it is not for you.

If you haven't noticed, almost every anime uses fanservice. That means it is a necessity/ custom. Now rest should be self explanatory as to why people may not like Tutu.

This is an amusing accusation to read form someone that rated Bleach as a masterpiece. I don't mean to be offensive. I'm just curious how could you find it annoying that Princess Tutu is repetitive and 'dragging on' while Bleach does exactly the same things to a much greater extent?


Sorry, but have to say this. Only an idiot makes slurs and judgments based on an out-of-date ranking system/ many people here do not use (well I don't).


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Fangirl or boy. OK whatever cry me a river. At least come up with better insults if you cant even retort properly. Even though I haven't updated my anime list (nor do I intend to), I would still rank Bleach as a Masterpiece for numerous reasons. Furthermore, can tell from your tone, you're saying Bleach is a shitty anime because it does the exact same thing. Thus my viewpoint makes no sense

Good Day- Laughing My Ass Off. Just so you know, a masterpiece entails a lot of things and it doesn't mean it's just a good show. A masterpiece is a good show and more. If you do not know what that more is do your research. Also, will not talk bout Bleach because well its about Tutu?

fyi, I stated why people may dislike Tutu or what people may find wrong with Tutu. I could care less about how you feel bout Tutu. Wrote negatives because well this anime is obviously not a fit for everyone/ the thread gives off that false impression. Some1 who wants pure action, is not gunna like Tutu. Some1 who wants tits is not gunna like Tutu. Some1 who want gore, horror, seinen, dungeons and dragons watever......not gunna like Tutu. Are you that narrow minded?
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 4:47 am Reply with quote
Sigh... ShinobiX, I'm not sure why, but I keep on seeing more and more posts by you that tempt me to type things... likely to get me moderated. I'd suggest you not post in such a insulting manner all the time, but to be honest, a part of me is hoping you will continue to do so, step over the line too often, and get banned. Just a small part.

I though about trying to argue with you, but honestly, I'm not even sure how to debate someone who makes entirely serious points like "If you haven't noticed, almost every anime uses fanservice. That means it is a necessity..." And I don't really want to turn this thread into a huge argument.

So I'll just say that I at least do understand just what a masterpiece is, and believe Princess Tutu is one. I could go on and on about why I think it's so great, and may later on, but for now it's late and I'm tired, so I'll leave it at that.

Regarding the article this thread was actually made about, it's not a bad read, though in all honestly it's not the most persuasive argument in favor of Princess Tutu's greatness that I've seen, and anyone who has yet to watch the series should be warned it contains some spoilers. Still, as I've said it's not bad.

EDIT: Ok, seeing your addition to your post ShinobiX, some of your comments seem a bit more understandable to me now, but at the same time, I still find them strange. Obviously there is no show that every single person is going to like, but no one in this thread has said that about Tutu. But I think that a lot of anime fans are willing to give most shows a chance at least, even if it's not in a genre or style they usually like. And I think Princess Tutu is a show that appeals to many people who wouldn't normally like shows in it's genre/style.
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Aylinn



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:20 am Reply with quote
@ShinobiX I thought by the story, you mean only the plot, but it’s seems that there is no point to argue with you, since Mad_Scientist already replied to you and you cannot reply without throwing insults, so I will just say that I liked Bleach up to the end of Soul Society arc and I was really curious why someone who committed hours to watch Bleach and its fillers would mind a bit of repetitiveness that is present in Princess Tutu and find it to be 'dragging on'. EOT

On topic: I rate Princess Tutu very highly. I gave it excellent, as it is a good compilation of magic girls, shoujo and western fairy tales. It's not ground-breaking, but still a really nicely done series.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 9:55 am Reply with quote
ShinobiX, this is the second different thread that I have have to issue a warning to you about in the past few minutes. Your attitude, tone, and language in your response to Aylinn is inappropriate. You need to dial your rhetoric waaay back or you'r looking at Moderated status (at least).

(And BTW, I am issuing this publicly rather than PMing you about it so that other forumites will know that we Mods are paying active attention.)
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wandering-dreamer



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Oh nice, I hadn't seen this article and I always need more material to convince my friends to try a show with such a silly title as this. I got around to rewatching the series recently (I have the original box with the god-awful cover but not a spindle pack) and was surprised at just how much I still enjoyed the series. Don't think I have anything else to say that the article already didn't except that it's also streaming dubbed on hulu for people to watch that way.
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:34 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
...we Mods are paying active attention.

*pulls pants up.

Damn.

@topic:
I tried watching the series twice, and both times I fell asleep, which sucked because by the time I awoke, the story seemed to go from "duck" to "goose", and no way of catching up.

I told myself if I try watching it again, I'd be sure to stay awake as best I can.

One thing I did notice was, for a TV series, it had a pretty good animated quality going for it. Many people raved about it, so I need to get to watching it when I'm not so tired.
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Veers



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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:45 pm Reply with quote
Pretty good article. I enjoyed the show and bought the DVD set but... I've never been able to bring myself to sit down and watch it again.

I can appreciate the story; it's a well-executed and dramatic story with great direction, and I loved the meta story-inside-a-story aspects of the narrative, but ballet isn't my thing, and its prominence (and the number of times Ahiru jumps over the camera in her tutu) has always kept me from watching the series again. However, in the wake of Madoka, I'd like to go back and see how Tutu compares to how I remember it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 3:08 pm Reply with quote
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Only reason it was a success overseas is because the anime heavily incorporated Western themes.
A success overseas? At least in the singles release, sales were terrible.
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