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Rolito



Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:45 pm Reply with quote
Hey! Im Rolo..(I am kinda of a newbie at this forum) but who cares! Anyways I think I have natural talent, but to develope talent I think I should learn from others! So I was planning to get Manga Mania Bishoujo: How To Draw The Alluring Women Of Japanese Comics or Manga Mania Shoujo: How to Draw the Charming and Romantic Characters of Japanese Comics but I don't know which is best? Can some of you help me out?!?!?

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outlawwolf



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:57 pm Reply with quote
While those reference books are good, I would recommend getting a How to Draw manga book that was made for kids, that is if your seriously beginning. This is the one that I used (and still use Embarassed ) http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0439317452/203-6200614-6393523

It gives you the bare bones basics about how to draw the face, drawing the face in different types of views, the basics of drawing bodies, limbs, and even covers a bit about colors and shading. After that, I kind of went to my manga collection and started copying my favorite poses and such. Now I'm just copying from other artists online from sites like Deviant Art or from my favorite webcomic artists gallery. I know I'm seriously slow about learning, but this is how I'm doing things.
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:02 pm Reply with quote
Thanks! But I'm not completly sure if I am a beginner, look at my resint work at www.freewebs.com/rolo-art-world/ to see if I am really a beginner cause I'm not so sure I am.
Thanks again! I'll check it out.
Anyone else have any recomendations?
_-_:Rolo:_-_
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rajamitsu



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:12 pm Reply with quote
Neither.

I have a very strong dislike for any of Christopher Hart's anime/manga books. If you really want to look into anime/manga "how to draw" books, I'd reccomend the "How to Draw Anime & Game Characters" series by Tadashi Ozawa. Or find an artist you admire and see if they have a tutorial on-line. Or carefully examine artworks of manga artists you admire.

Are you taking any drawing classes? If you want to improve overall, that would be the best bet.
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:22 pm Reply with quote
Yes, maybe I should. I heard many dislike Hart's books, but would anyone mind telling me why.
Ok I'll check that book.. And yeah I'll check the authors of anime styles I admire. Thank you.

:r:r:ROLO:r:r:
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:33 pm Reply with quote
Hey, I've been looking at reviews and its seems yours Rajamitsu got good ratings, although for the one outlawwold got soso reviews, but I think the outlawolf book he recomended is not so bad I would by it, dispite the fact its 4 $. I mean I am not a total beginner, but it will help, I am pretty sure. Thanks guys!
Anyone else take the challenge of!!! HELPING ME OUT!?!?!??!?!?

ROLO.ROLO..ROLO...ROLO....ROLO.....ROLO!!! Shocked

COME ON I NEED PEOPLE TO TELL ME!!!! I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE 9 today!
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Ok..it's fine.. Don't worry people, I got the books! 2 atleast.. I went to another forum, which answered quicklier. But thanks to those who responded.. Greatly apreciated. If anyone wants to make more suggestions.. just relply.

:._._:Rolo:_._.:
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Coffeeman



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:30 pm Reply with quote
All you need is "Even A Monkey Can Draw Manga"
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hikaru393



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:34 pm Reply with quote
not to be mean but i think you should get begginer books thoes drawing werent that great to be close to being manga drawings.
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:36 pm Reply with quote
i know..thous are old drawings...I scanned thoughs long time made website like 3 weeks ago... I have been working on drawings, and they are way better...I'll add one today. Now.. Let me get it to scan it. or take pic with my camera.

thanks..I know i might suck..alitle hey but the one I did in photoshop (colored one..the girl) is reall good! (i think)

Rolo Embarassed
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Patachu
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:46 pm Reply with quote
Rolito wrote:
Yes, maybe I should. I heard many dislike Hart's books, but would anyone mind telling me why.


- He releases all these self-help books because he's not talented enough to get a steady, decent job in comics. Would you want to take instructions from someone like that?
- His entire "manga" style is based on watching whatever anime is on TV on Saturday mornings.
- By studying his books, you will not learn "how to draw manga," you will only learn "how to draw like Christopher Hart."

and here's my favorite one...

- HE ISN'T JAPANESE?!!

The white "How to Draw Manga" books from Graphic-sha are slightly better, although the quality of advice is very inconsistent. Ozawa's "How to Draw Anime and Game Characters," as rajamitsu mentioned, is better yet, and has a useful critique portion where they take a student drawing and show where the mistakes are.

Sorry buddy, but if you bought the Hart books, you just wasted your money and supported the murder of some trees that didn't deserve to die.

The best advice I can give, which most starting "manga artists" never take, is LEARN TO DRAW "NORMAL"/REALISTIC BEFORE YOU DRAW MANGA. I know you're not going to because you want to do the sparkly eyes and shiny hair and sexy girls LIKERIGHTNOWOMG!!!!1 But I'm going to say it anyway because someone else might be reading this thread, and if I can set one person on a good artistic foundation, that will be enough for me.
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Rolito



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:10 pm Reply with quote
wow good explination.. only bought one hart book the female character one and i bought one from Ozawa, tadashi i think...alot of proportions...(real, exagerated, manga) he shows the diference between eyes and stuff... ..please be clear next time lol...Smile (this is my new drawing, drew it like 2 weeks ago..not so good hey but im working on it!)


ROLO:::ROLO:::ROLO:::ROLO
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hikaru393



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:07 am Reply with quote
cool pic i just drew this pic yesterday it's inuyasha's brother

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/11736349/
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tsukinoken



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:45 am Reply with quote
Man you still have along way to go but keep practicing Anime smallmouth + sweatdrop
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Nagisa
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:34 am Reply with quote
Hum, I'm probably a little late, but...

As a student of animation in college, I and my peers have been taught that to become a good artist, one must have an excellent grasp of the basics, of the ground floor. Learn to draw period, be able to draw a regular old human being, a regular old landscape in proper perspective, a common this and a ho-hum that and do them well before even thinking about putting some stylistic spin on them. Learn to draw, then add your own artistic flare.

By my experience with these "how to draw manga" books, all you're doing is damning yourself to crappy, mediocre fanart no matter which author you rely on, because you're putting the style to little or no actual drawing foundations whatsoever. From what I've seen, if these books even bother at all to teach you any sort of proper drawing foundations, they wash over them in some thin introductory chapter before giving you 200 pages of how to draw a pair of watery eyes in a mediocre fashion. You're foregoing the basics of drawing, the basics of perspective, proportion, and proper anatomy, and going straight into taking these things you've never learned and putting an artistic flare to them.

You're building a house by starting with the roof. You're building an office building by starting with the top floor. There's nothing underneath to support it.

Long story short, I'd suggest just avoiding these "how to draw manga" books altogether. Instead, take up evening classes in drawing, or look into reputable books on just plain drawing. Learn to do the basics right, and then use your own skills and a couple anime references and produce your own "manga style" built upon a proper knowledge of drawing.
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