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solo55789
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:07 am
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Quote: | In this year's 20th issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine on Monday, the editors are publishing an open letter about unauthorized online copies of manga. The editors say that unauthorized copying and uploading are against the wishes of the manga creators. They also emphasize that "the unauthorized online copies do harm to the manga culture, the manga creators' rights, and above all, the manga creators' spirits." They acknowledge that the amount of unauthorized copying has become so overwhelming that they are unable to deal with all of it.
The editors ask their readers to realize that all unauthorized copying and uploading is illegal. They add that manga creators and Shueisha will be dealing severely with unauthorized copies on the Internet, and the editors ask for the readers' support.
In another development, the raw-paradise.com website, which hosted scanned copies of manga magazines without permission, currently redirects to Shueisha's website.
Thanks to Starks for the news tip. |
After I read this, like a lot of manga-anime fans online, I don't like it. And there are the reasons:
1/ It could be good with the mangaka and the manga publishing house, because it can help them got more and more money. But with the fans, not all of us have money for manga.
2/ About translators and editor of the publishing house in other nations - like in Vietnam - my nations, they don't have good enough skill in trans and edit, and usually reprinted stories to get more money, so we don't like buy manga from them. Because, almost of them work for money, so they (just maybe) don't have excitement with manga. And that always made the bad manga, not only for fans but also the other readers.
3/ Like many members in the forums I read, they were say one thing that I think it's the right reason to the manga was create and survive: The manga give the the human the fun and some philosophies. So if they forgot that, still they will be worthy with the name that we call?
4/ This could be ridiculous, but the internet, with the help by the scanlators, editors, translators, was made the reputation for the manga and anime at modern times, and bring them to community.
And 5/ If that a enjoyable manga, lots of fan still bought them to read and saved.
So I hope the Manga Publishing Houses and the Mangaka will thinking carefully to got the other way to resolve this and stop trampling on the scans, trans and edit's enthusiasm and effort with manga and anime because they love them and they want do the best to bring them to fans and readers.
[EDIT: Don't use bold on everything. Future posts doing this may be deleted instead. - Key]
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Tamaria
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:29 am
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1. It gets them more money, how? Yeah, there are some people out there they buy things after having read them for free, but that's the majority. The only way for publishers to really profit from online manga reading, is to offer an alternative themselves. Viz is already experimenting with this (Rin-ne, Ikki) as are some other publishers.
2. Oh, boohoo. You can't force people to enjoy their job. As long as they provide a good product for a good price, I'm not going to complain. Sure, the industry needs enthusiastic people to push it forward, but not everyone has to be like that. And hey, I rather have a bunch not-so-passionate people who do a good job than multiple D.J. Milkies doing D.J. Milky stuff.
3. Eh, are you saying a manga you have to pay for can't possibly be good? Or that publishers can only prosper by allowing other people to give away their work for free? Mangaka are people and like other people, they like food, water and a roof above their head. They're not going to get any of that, if people refuse to pay for their hard work. Lots of talented people will give up on trying to make a carreer out of drawing manga, because they simply don't have the financial security to do so.
4. If you're saying scanlations and fansubs have served their purpose, I agree. In the US and a big part of Europe, getting manga and anime for reasonably prices is easy as pie. There is no need to keep spreading the word through illegal means in those areas. Besides, the message in Shounen Jump was targeted at the Japanese providers of raws, raws other Japanese seem to read as well.
5. There are ways to solve this and crush scanlations at the same time. In theory, atleast.
Bringing anime and manga to fans is not the responsibility of random individuals. These people may have been playing Robin Hood in the beginning and some still do, to some extend, but many have thrown away the code of honour that was once a sign of a real fan.
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solo55789
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:20 am
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I dont' force anyone, I just hope them publishing house should invite the trans, edit who got more excitement than the trans, edit they got, or at least stop trans too much wrong words, and prove their stupid by just copy and type and edit but do not read again to
sure that be okay. Then, I don't know where you from, but in my nations, almost the manga publishing is doing what I said on here, but they always want we pay the money inappropriate with what they give us. And they like to reprinted over and over again after they get new chapters of the manga, sometimes with the 3,4 times they reprinted, they just change charaters name or the trans, and I don't think it funny. I was made a 2pic to suggest them to improve that because recently, their trans and edit make too many mistake and if I don't do that, maybe it will worser than now, but it just better a little when I do that. While, the online trans and edit - also the fans of M-A, always try to do their best to give us the great M-A. And about things you called: "code of honour that was once a sign of a real fan." Do you ever think that because they just wanna help the fans got the better thing than what the publshing houses give?
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Tamaria
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:36 am
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Enthusiasm =/= the ability to do your job well.
I'm from the Netherlands. Not much manga here and one of the big reasons why is that the 'fans' refuse to read manga in Dutch and/or pay for manga.
I don't know where you are from, but English obviously isn't your native language. Yet, lots of scanlations out there are in English. And this is an English forum. Why do you get so worked up over scanlations in a language you (and your fellow fans) don't understand that well?
Not happy with the publishers in your country? Reading scanlations in another language won't solve anything. Star sending letters/e-mails to the publishers and encourage other fans to do so as well. Want a less legal way to deal with it? Scan the pages your crappy publishers publish and put in your own translation. You don't need Japanese raws to make that statement.
Bringing manga to fans is hardly what motivates scanlators nowadays. It's not about quality either. It's about getting your hands on a new chapter as fast as possible and being to first to put a scanlation online.
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solo55789
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:48 pm
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Oh ho, sending letter, email? Like I said, I was make a 2pic to criticism them, and it got some people agree, but the manga still not good enough. And not just me do it, I have a long list about the complain of fans, readers if you need. How you think about one manga that they cut out one chapter, raise the cost and over the half of it had ots of fail. Ex: in the case should trans "so" they trans it to "two", I don't know are they a Vietnamese or do they know how to use it. So do you like to pay for a manga like that? Can you establish one team to check all manga of all manga publishing house in your country and after that you can sure that all fail they have just count by few?
I'm not a fan, I just a reader, but not like readers that the publishing houses think that: "they are the pig head bull brain guys, they just need the manga, they don't care about how we trans, what we do with it." I want the best they can do to give us, not the trash like now.
And if the publishing houses want more license, why they don't make the deal with scanlators? They can print their name in every page of manga, and then print that part to sell for the scans, and other part for other people, so it will help them PR, too. And then they make the rules about the scan time. Don't you see the scanlators always keep the mangaka name, it still help people know who draw it, right? And if they just wanna have the license, they should kept the manga, anime for their country, don't bring it to the other countries, license, haa, the real thing they want is lots of money, they were make the M-A like the tools to gets money for them.
I live in Vietnam, and I just seventeen, so if my English too bad, I'm so sorry.
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solo55789
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:10 pm
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And there are some ideas of fans about the manga online:
Quote: | Simple as this, if stop reading onl the popularity of the manga will be down very low, because thanks to the web community to know that reading manga, and separate collection doang if that is a good translation and quality in the whole of the Japanese style, fans what type to buy support, especially OP, reading onl is not really so little money does not buy. |
Quote: | If the author or the mangaka is able to support, but if the readers are opposed.
Onl views is regarded as a manga of the poor, while increasing the price series, economic crisis spread, unemployment bla bla bla ... seriously If buying series of dc publishers but also the first half last year .. die set. |
Quote: | Manga is the birth right to read the first author known as much before because the new measure than sitting there like that have been mentioned test must purchase by readers restrict competition contrary results alone, only thinking of ear own immediate prestige it will obscure the future. |
Quote: | There are sure you like Kim Dong then we never enthusiasts and One Piece.
There are publishers that produce manga in English Vietnamese Vietnamese, more than we were bored One Piece right from the first book then.
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Consider those who have never read One Piece, which started right away ... Kim Dong is a translation of a sentence has commented: "I've read do not understand!
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About the Publisher in Japan ...
They must have thought something bad about this ... If successful, after some well-known series such This will only ... also popular in Japan ....
The warning that should also be part ... But demolish a site like it seems ... unstable. |
Quote: | Weekly Shounen Jump magazine is published in Naruto, Bleach and One Piece (besides Bakuman, Reborn!, Gintama, HunterxHunter) weekly. This means that if this letter caused great influence scan raw manga fans out there, they will not continue to scan again, which means the last chapter of the shounen manga is almost the hottest now will disappear completely Internet
Worse, who will no longer scan raw manga well again, until then, so you only read the manga is the only way to buy directly in Japan or read a translation of the publisher Vietnam.
This is possible because the manga is a scan of unlawful actions. Go against the interests of the author ... and harmful to the Japanese comics industry (sales falling, a part of illegal scans by the internet).
This letter not only urged fans to stop scanning of the WSJ story, which is generally active scan for all manga. As I know, so far without any manga magazines or stand out this public call for all Does anyone know any case in history is not similar?
Changes in this case it is difficult to predict, because there are opponents (the fans outside of Japan), people have not (who spends money to buy manga, or who is considered pro-protection-of-the-industry -story-competition).
- Advantages:
1. The industry will develop more manga, manga will be more than you were - higher revenues.
If no floating manga online, publishers may be thinking about Vietnam bought the rights of the hot and publish them weekly, but if as now, online service that is full of stories to read. .., does not necessarily need to publishers.
Prodigy example of Vietnam - has just published the 4th day was the 5th Vietnamese scans on your internet, you have to buy again? Unless you're rich, then do not say.
2. Rights guaranteed by the author.
- Disability points:
1. Limit the amount of exposure to manga fans. Increasingly, the popularity of manga will be lower due to popular liberty. Since it also leads to lower worldwide sales, because people know there even scans the internet, but they still spends money to buy manga for fans.
The disability points of this so big, because I think that if the internet is not being released to the Japanese comics can not always popular and so many fans. |
Quote: | Much influence here
Then the mangaka or publishers have forgotten why and how the birth manga
Is to bring joy to others
I hate the cheap they tear Publisher Thanh Hoa Dong Nai ... publishers do not buy pirated copyright and publishing money
But you yourself who are passionate about trans manga manga for people to share
Hope the doctor the other processors listed above, we tear Scan cheaper for overseas fans is entirely reasonable.
Manga is to serve readers that
Either way, if a fan
Copyright by the manga here
Although they have read both and then buy that
Such as me. |
Quote: | Um
if so will have two solutions.
first: bite story that spends money to buy the publisher, bought just finished tearing out of view then fold paper airplanes, just cursed out so many people for this legislation.
second: to the same objection.
and I certainly will follow the second.
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Quote: | no, that is causing the WSJ but ....
without KHR and OP is going to die fast
read OP of Kim Dong too inhibition
KHR is pirated copies ... but then they must also stop
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Quote: | Shonen Jump's letter mainly affects the amount of raw uploader in Japan so Japan would certainly reduce the story (in case some uploader was arrested Tuesday as an example) so the other way is simpler and scan up to the network from the region that copyright law is low (such as Vietnam have) just moved out of date, the series can comfortably go online scan which I fear anyone, especially with the transfer of goods on This extremely easy story may be out today in the latest update will be about a week after that is the raw (or slower). As such, the story can only be to the fans in full rather than waiting until later raw manga was going to come right away, also in Vietnam at the copyright laws are respected, then at last it is disappearing at raw manga. |
Quote: | Actually, both latent luck this year and how much .... But what is also the face of it all. Say the prohibition scan, block raw will help up to the problem of revenue ahead of the manga-anime industry, but if you think in the long run will also have many other issues arise. For example, the no one can deny that the network community - those who scan, share raw illegally major contributors to the popularity of manga-anime beyond Japanese borders Ban.Chac sure that if there is no public the same network, no network worldwide otaku manga-anime is not popular as well as have a large fan community today. Moreover, many people have a habit of poll, or their own evaluation of a manga / anime that before deciding to give money to buy the collection, and to do so, the Internet serves as extreme critical period. In addition, revenue from that manga-anime publishers, manufacturers are not only earn income from Japanese fans but also a significant part in the foreign fans - those who truly love, ready spends money to ship the item with the original quality of those that I loved about the collection. So where did they get the resources than expected, while the barrier distribution rights in overseas manga-anime still many shortcomings and limitations? - Of course the answer is just a fan community that is the network - the Internet. Besides the fan usually will not because of some raw scans or earned on that principal refused to buy products if they have a chance. But if the block to source raw / scan, the chances of unauthorized known that many of you will return to zero, so hope to be anything else?
With most of the re-scan / raw in the whole network share is found, otaku for otaku, fans for fans, but also that no one dared to take the business profit. So the brutal truth that the law .... With almost all the raw scan can not be equal in quality to those original conditions, will also have the opportunity to put money into the original purchase only. In summary says this problem is two say it is also true to say that their support is, they interact each other again as no wrong. ~ ~
Haizz .... just try to go, then they will see. This momentum will keep a close on its own with the Japanese world, they will only read manga, watch anime on their own alone. Fact that the Japanese market is very large so perhaps this problem is also acceptable to many there, but can not deny that if it was true then they have lost many things, many sources interests, much like a good bargain at all.
Having said this, then say so but I still do not believe they banned anything but dull little game of this long ago but also thoroughly go anywhere where we do this as well as a few other social evils so that only , only the mouth but also to eliminate the root is where the Internet is now expanding into a great power which human can't defeat. |
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Tamaria
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:09 am
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Quote: | Oh ho, sending letter, email? Like I said, I was make a 2pic to criticism them, and it got some people agree, but the manga still not good enough. |
It's a proces that could take years. Keep sending letters and complaints and encourage other readers to do so as well.
Quote: | And if the publishing houses want more license, why they don't make the deal with scanlators? |
It doesn't work like that. Scanlators do not have the rights to distribute manga, so they can't give any to the real publishers. Letting them handle translations as a scanlator wouldn't be a good idea either. If these scanlators really do better translations, they should ask publishers for jobs and do some freelance work.
Quote: | Don't you see the scanlators always keep the mangaka name, it still help people know who draw it, right? |
That doesn't help the mangaka in the slightest, unless he can eat internet fame for breakfast.
Quote: | And if they just wanna have the license, they should kept the manga, anime for their country, don't bring it to the other countries, license, haa, the real thing they want is lots of money, they were make the M-A like the tools to gets money for them.
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Yes, it's a business, but what's wrong with that? Mangaka aren't going to draw for free and naturally the publishers want some money too, because they're more or less the reason mangaka earn money in the first place.
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solo55789
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:12 am
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If that a business, so they can sell the manga in their country, this still got money for them, and don't bring it to us, or at least to me, with me money like shit, because when you die, it not gonna help you. And about mangaka, if they draw for money, why they don't draw the money and use it? Manga was create to people read, and if people don't know the manga good or bad, how could they bought them?
About scans and trans, there one thing special: English is not the best language to trans, because a big part of English words have just one meaning, while Asia language got many meaning for one words, so when we trans, we like trans from JP to VN more than from EN to VN or the other language with other coutries, because it kept more true meaning than EN.
And with the rights to distribute, i said they should made the deal about scan time, why the Janpanese don't legalized it, why they like make it so hard? Do they wanna make a scandal to PR themself?
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searadragon
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:32 am
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calm down, calm down
He's not in Viet Nam. How could he understand the situation here???
And even if he know, I don't think he's gonna put a care to it.
He got the money, he got the food and the water he want. Why should he care about us here ?
[EDIT: Okay, this is the second post in this thread now to do this, so I'll put this rule in bold to make sure our newer posters notice it: Do not put all of your text in bold! - Key]
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Tamaria
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:07 am
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So, you've got no food and clean water, but your internet connection is fast and stable enough to complain on some English anime website for several hours a day? Yes, I know the situation in Vietnam is pretty crappy compared to the west, but if it's really as bad as you say it is, shouldn't you have other priorities?
Quote: | If that a business, so they can sell the manga in their country, this still got money for them, and don't bring it to us, or at least to me, with me money like shit, because when you die, it not gonna help you. |
That's nice, I think, but I doubt an entertainment industry and communism go well together.
Quote: | And about mangaka, if they draw for money, why they don't draw the money and use it? |
Eh, that's not how it works in the real world.
Quote: | Manga was create to people read, and if people don't know the manga good or bad, how could they bought them? |
Libraries, checking the content in bookstores, manga rentals (if you've got them), reviews, friends...
Quote: | About scans and trans, there one thing special: English is not the best language to trans, because a big part of English words have just one meaning, while Asia language got many meaning for one words, so when we trans, we like trans from JP to VN more than from EN to VN or the other language with other coutries, because it kept more true meaning than EN. |
Then why are you complaining about a Japanese company on an English website? It's pointless!
Quote: | And with the rights to distribute, i said they should made the deal about scan time, why the Janpanese don't legalized it, why they like make it so hard? Do they wanna make a scandal to PR themself? |
Because what's on the net, stays on the net. Once it's on there, it's extremely hard to get it off.
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solo55789
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:23 pm
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Quote: | Because what's on the net, stays on the net. |
Oh, so what? People don't want buy manga, hah? Lots of people want save manga comic, not manga onl, because at least it still stronger than internet and PC - these things not always okay, they could damage anytime.
Quote: | Libraries, checking the content in bookstores, manga rentals (if you've got them), reviews, friends... |
So you think where these things have manga? It not falling from the sky, and in libraries, is it always have manga? And why you don't see that the internet was help a lots for manga and anime came to people nowadays? If you think scan raw manga is wrong, so you and these bastard publishers master should confiscation all scanners, printers in all wide world to keep the raw manga save, and requirements the mangaka and their assistants draw the hundred thousands page for one chapter to sell, and then close every single one site about manga, anime too, include this site, it help a lots for the business.
The entertaiment - like we call, it help us relax, and human made it like the industry, hohoho, to get money - thing that our ancestors don't need to survive, and they're not discharged thing we call industrial waste for their children too, right?
About mangaka, are things they draw exist in real world? If not, why they want transform the virtual things to the real money for themself, that so ridiculous. And why I complain in here? Because if I understand the Japanese, I was direct complain in their site with their language.
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DeLaCruz
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:47 pm
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I dont have so many things to say in this topic,but as a big fan of manga,i just want to express simply my own ideas:
Back in the days,when internet was not popular like now,we used to read information and news by newspapers,magazines,or watching TV...
But now,we have so many choices on the internet to find info or news,like espn.com,cnn.com,bbc.co.uk...This is a reasonable trend of a developing communication worldwide.And we automatically accept this without hesitation
It's just the same like manga.We used to reading mangas(on paper),but now most of us ARE USED TO READING them on the internet.And if pulishers dont release well-translated mangas on the internet,we should find and translate them by ourselves(in case everyone has post raw manga already).Nothing's wrong with this,and i make sure that the profit of publishers will not be decreased due to these online translations
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Tamaria
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:16 am
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Oh, so what? People don't want buy manga, hah? Lots of people want save manga comic, not manga onl, because at least it still stronger than internet and PC - these things not always okay, they could damage anytime. |
That group is smaller than you think. Besides, weren't you complaining about money a little while ago?
Quote: | The entertaiment - like we call, it help us relax, and human made it like the industry, hohoho, to get money - thing that our ancestors don't need to survive, and they're not discharged thing we call industrial waste for their children too, right? |
Yes, entertainment is a nice way to relax, but that doesn't mean it should be free. The world doesn't work that way. Without the Japanese manga industry there wouldn't be much manga, right?
Quote: | About mangaka, are things they draw exist in real world? If not, why they want transform the virtual things to the real money for themself, that so ridiculous. |
Yeah, they shouldn't be paid for their time and effort, that makes perfect sense! Drawing manga is a job. If it weren't, you wouldn't be able to read much manga, because those mangaka would have another job and wouldn't nearly have enough time to draw manga.
There are plenty of free webcomics. Go read those if you want free entertainment.
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So you think where these things have manga? It not falling from the sky, and in libraries, is it always have manga? And why you don't see that the internet was help a lots for manga and anime came to people nowadays? If you think scan raw manga is wrong, so you and these bastard publishers master should confiscation all scanners, printers in all wide world to keep the raw manga save, and requirements the mangaka and their assistants draw the hundred thousands page for one chapter to sell, and then close every single one site about manga, anime too, include this site, it help a lots for the business. |
You and reality aren't very good friends, are you?
It's not good for business when people take things without paying and doing whatever they want with those things. Mangaka and publishers invested time and money into their products, so naturally, they want to make some money as well. That doesn't make them bastards, it's how the world, aside from some malfunctioning communist states, works.
I'm not saying every library carries manga, but it might be a good place to start looking. If the demand is high enough, libraries may start putting manga on their shelves.
Products always need time to penetrate a new market. It took the US manga industry over 15 years to get where it is now. Patience is a virtue! Fortunately, manga isn't the only form of entertainment.
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Jaymie
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:11 am
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OP needs a reality check.
Mangaka draw their manga for money. They expect people to go out and buy their works so they can buy their bread. When people scan manga, mangaka lose money. And if no one is out supporting the manga, the publisher may pull the plug on it, ending your favorite series.
MANGA IS NOT A RIGHT, it is a privilege. I thought that really needed to be said. You seem to believe that you have a "right" to entertainment, but you don't.
Also, don't give us that "Vietnam is poor blah blah blah" crap. You two have perfectly fine internet connections, so it's obvious that you can afford food and water just fine. If not, you really need to sort out your priorities.
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solo55789
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:38 pm
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Quote: | weren't you complaining about money a little while ago? |
Exactly, my complain is about the cost of manga.
Quote: | Yes, entertainment is a nice way to relax, but that doesn't mean it should be free. |
I don't say that must be free, but just need the right way to do with this problem. And not any manga can make me enjoy, like lots of manga readers, we have a limit about manga kind we want to
read, and year by year, the manga industry lose not small money for the manga not really selled.
Quote: | MANGA IS NOT A RIGHT, it is a privilege. I thought that really needed to be said. You seem to believe that you have a "right" to entertainment, but you don't. |
Am I said that manga is right ever? And am I said that my opinion about entertainment could be right?
Quote: | Also, don't give us that "Vietnam is poor blah blah blah" crap. |
Woo hoo, don't count me in these guys said that, okay?
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