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Ktimene's Lover
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This is a lot. See the activities of scanlations and fansubs do our industry? Well, these two practices are at least part of the reason for Kodansha's epic loss.
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Teriyaki Terrier
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THIS is what happens when people don't purchase company products. If I were a fansubber, I'd have trouble sleeping at night, knowing I just put a honest hard working person out of a job because of my own personal greed.
This is horriable news, I hope Kodansha is able to recover from this. |
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vashfanatic
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Um, these losses are in Japan, not the United States; scanlation and fansubbing had nothing to do with this, advertising sales in Japan did. Good lord, people, read the article before you get on your soap boxes!!
Also, while this isn't good news, they're not losing money yet, just making a substantial chunk less. We're in a global recession, it's going to happen. Last edited by vashfanatic on Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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bayoab
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Didn't even make it one post without someone saying it...
How do you people connect advertising revenue with fansubs? How can you even connect Japanese domestic print media sales falling with scanlations? Really, you guys don't have any logic beside "Sales down? Must be fansubs fault!" Kodansha is a major publisher in Japan. They handle infinitely more things than just anime and comics too. Last edited by bayoab on Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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posterior_praiser
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Yay, another fansubber bashing thread. Not.
Now let's be realistic here. Japan's economy as a whole is having a real rough time financially right now, and people are cutting down on the extras, like, guess what? DVDs, magazines and such. Not everything is because of fansubs. |
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Xanas
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So fansubbing losses didn't exist the whole time but just hit all at once this year.... yeah.... right.
And what exactly is the word about "greed"? There are very few fansubbers who charge anything at all. Those who do I'll agree should be stopped, but then you don't see communities or people supporting that. I don't know why the industry doesn't do more against the bootleggers and those who charge since money is more obviously lost there. |
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kurotsuki
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I'd just like to point out tho those who jumped on " OH NOES FANSUBZ " that Kodansha does manga and not anime.
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enurtsol
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The US$81.2 million loss, anyone know how that compares to Kodansha's assets and history? Hope they don't go bankrupt or need a bailout too. |
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LordRedhand
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Isn't pirating becoming a problem in Japan as well? Were we have reverse pirating so to speak.
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vashfanatic
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What, you mean pirating of American and other Western stuff? I have no idea. As for scanning of Kodansha's own stuff in Japan and distributing it there... ditto on the no clue, although it would surprise me given how cheap print media is in Japan compared to movie tickets, DVDs, etc. That Kodansha's profits took a hit is a sign of the bad turn in the economy as much as anything. There isn't much those of us outside of Japan can do to change that, since we don't buy anything directly from them. |
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mglittlerobin
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You're an idiot, what happens to the industry in Japan affects the industry in the U.S. If they're not making money, they can't bring it over here. And if they can't bring it over here, we can't buy it. "If it tanks here, there's no industry in Japan," Greg Ayres. He's right, and if people don't buy stuff, nobody can make stuff! |
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Ktimene's Lover
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Not buying products and not so effective advertising can do this also.
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ananda_pryana
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In the current economic climate, which some people have started to say is worse than the great depression, companies posting record losses are not exactly breaking news. Unless we have data about how its competitors/ other companies from related industries are doing, we can't accurately judge how bad this really is.
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LordRedhand
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Not necessarily. What I mean is pirating raws and scans uploaded as well as softsubs of fansubs (as it would be easier to remove any groups fansub and get the product if they cared to) I recall it being a problem but I'm not 100% sure. We know they are "cracking down" on big uploaders recently. |
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vashfanatic
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If I'm an idiot, then you're an... well, I don't believe in insulting people online. True, if they're not making enough $$ in Japan to produce stuff, it won't come over here; but people not buying stuff in America does not affect advertising sales in Japan. People not buying stuff in Japan affects that. If this were an American company we were talking about, then it would make sense to be yelling at scanlations, but I don't buy products straight from Kodansha, I buy them from Dark Horse, Viz, Tokyopop, etc. Maybe you fly to Japan to purchase your manga, but otherwise scanlating affects those companies, not Kodansha.
Kodansha doesn't do anime, they do manga, so that's not an issue for them. GONZO, I.G., Bones, yes, but not Kodansha; you can't just turn off a text translation. |
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