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EP. REVIEW: Spice & Wolf: merchant meets the wise wolf


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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:14 am Reply with quote
Thesarum wrote:
... Does a giant wolf god even have humors in the way they believe humans do? I'm pretty sure the ancient and wise Holo knows more about the functioning of her mystical body than he does...
On the latter, probably right! What he was extoling were the temperaments which comprised a highly modified theory of medicine due to Galen and not the purely humoral (liquids) theory of Hippocrates. Galen was concerned with the link between feelings, diet and the qualities of the environment (hot/cold/wet/dry) which had connection with the humors which were produced by these but didn't have the causal relation that Hippocrates proposed. Schaeffer's book "Veterinary hematoscopy in late antiquity" and other texts indicates that humoral medical theory was applied to animals as well from Greek and Roman times onward.

I'd propose the appropriate temperaments for Holo the Wolf/Human Hybrid that we observe are
1. Angry-not nearly enough wine/apples/(attention from)Lawrence
2. Sassy- good balance of Lawrence and wine
3. Sad- not enough Lawrence or apples, too much Nora
4. Happy-enough Lawrence/apples


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Only one short story, unless you count chapter 1 of Vol 17 (it´s the official epilogue of the original story so I won´t) made it into the manga adaptation. It stopped fully adapting from the source material after it got done with LN 2 but Wolf and Amber Melancholy is the very last part of the LNs to not be abridged in any way even as a manga and it too places this story in its chronological place. I would LOVE to know why this became the equivalent of Red Dragon for Spice and Wolf. If this IP gets a stage play then I guarantee you this story will make it in to compliment my comparison.
Guess what! I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more Wolf and Amber Melancholy! every single time.

Never adapted to any visual medium so far are: Chapter 1 (of 3) from LN 7, LN 10-13 and chapters 2-4 from Vol 17. Spring Log (on Vol 7) and New Theory (on Vol 10) are of course also ongoing. Up that pie in the sky wish to an episode order of 200+.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:48 pm Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
I'd propose the appropriate temperaments for Holo the Wolf/Human Hybrid that we observe are
1. Angry-not nearly enough wine/apples/(attention from)Lawrence
2. Sassy- good balance of Lawrence and wine
3. Sad- not enough Lawrence or apples, too much Nora
4. Happy-enough Lawrence/apples


Haha, love this. There's got to be something about the medicinal effectiveness on Wolf/Human/God hybrids of:

* Inducing Lawrence to awkwardly say something passably romantic
* Lawrence actually saying something passably romantic off his own initiative.
* Flirting oneself and causing wordless awkwardness in Lawrence.

Best taken with food (preferably apples, or honeyed peaches) and drink (wine).

Do not mix these actions with shepherdesses else liable to cause bitterness and bile reflux.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:20 pm Reply with quote
Ok, the new Op has a young woman in loose black robe-dress studying scrolls and a young man who may be her brother. Would she qualify as a priestess heralding Volume 4 adaptation?
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Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
Ok, the new Op has a young woman in loose black robe-dress studying scrolls and a young man who may be her brother. Would she qualify as a priestess heralding Volume 4 adaptation?

She's the main supporting character in volume 4. Assuming consistent pacing with the first half, she should debut around the middle of episode 20.
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Yeah! Thanks Key! Now, to a subject I haven't gotten into previously but with the English dub of Ep11 there is some mythology that might be of interest to fans if it hasn't been discussed previously. Some Romanian legends feature un-natural wolf "pricolici" that appear in treacherous areas born of the last moments of travelers who died there and who alternately may eat the unlucky/unwary if they starved to death, kill them as expressions of their dying terror and anger or frighten travelers into turning back. Some hold that these beings become more human as they age and gain awareness and can take humanoid form. In the dub, when Holo mentions this possibility, I was reminded and it seems the writer knew his mythology. Also brings up interesting ideas of Holo's possible origin and whether she has eaten people...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:56 pm Reply with quote
I am a fan of spice and wolf but I absolutely hated this current arc the first time around. spoiler[Quite frankly with some of the shit Holo pulls in this one Lawrence should have just cut his loses and left her behind in the village!] I will start watching again when Novel 4 is adapted.
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Ep15- While basically the same as the Funi version, I appreciate the subtle(?) change in Dian's pronouns when talking about the appearance of Holou of Yoitsu and a bit more insight into her passage to the south. Though a very long time ago, it seems Dian was there and so might be more than she seems...The Funi version made the white feathers much more conspicuous...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:19 pm Reply with quote
Aimer is the perfect fit for a Spice & Wolf OP. I really like how despite changing artists the general style and tone of the OP/ED remained the same.

It's nice to see Lawrence and Holo are much more comfortable around each other in terms of their flirting/teasing as well as even physical intimacy between the two of them. Though that makes the prospect of them separating when Holo actually does go back to Yoitsu hit hard.

Mentioning a bear that destroyed Yoitsu sound like "Final Boss" foreshadowing.

Amati seems like a decent kid and fellow merchant though Holo has him wrapped around her finger.

I love Marc and his wife so far. It feels like a preview of Lawrence and Holo if they ever settled down together. I hope Lawrence gets to introduce Holo to them.

Man, Holo, Diana, and Nora really make turning against the church seem appealing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:14 pm Reply with quote
Reviewer really failing the Turing test at the end there.
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Welp, Crunchyroll taking the nuclear option with comments and reviews means I guess I'm going to be posting more on the forums.

It becomes obvious as the story goes on how unpopular this arc was. Amati is one of the few featured characters that never shows up again. Even some seemingly minor characters have come back for spoiler[for the wedding and to stay at the inn] or come back in Wolf and Parchment, but not Amati.

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MFrontier wrote:
...I love Marc and his wife so far. It feels like a preview of Lawrence and Holo if they ever settled down together...Man, Holo, Diana, and Nora really make turning against the church seem appealing.
I too appreciated seeing Marc's wife and give her some personality among several improvements over the Funi version this Ep. Getting to know S&W of late I was struck that the (Catholic?) Church is the primary antagonist everywhere. In other shows, the Church or some stylized version thereof, is more neutral and usually not so prominent a problem...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:38 pm Reply with quote
Hiroki not Takuya wrote:
Ep15- While basically the same as the Funi version, I appreciate the subtle(?) change in Dian's pronouns when talking about the appearance of Holou of Yoitsu and a bit more insight into her passage to the south. Though a very long time ago, it seems Dian was there and so might be more than she seems...The Funi version made the white feathers much more conspicuous...

The way Dian tells the story is the same in the original subtitles, too; the shift to recounting it in third person was only done for the English dub, so we'll see if that happens here, too, when the dub catches up. The original's subtitles made it clearer that she was recounting verbatim a story told by another, but I still got that impression from this version, too.

As for the feathers, I thought they were pretty darn conspicuous in this version as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:10 am Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:

It becomes obvious as the story goes on how unpopular this arc was. Amati is one of the few featured characters that never shows up again.


Amati not showing again is more argument for him being unliked, not entire arc being unliked. If anything, spoiler[Diana] does show again and this by itself dismantles your argument.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:27 am Reply with quote
Review wrote:
This week, we learn two essential things about Holo: ... her hangovers kick like a mule.


I wonder if this is a comment on her age.. Crying or Very sad
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