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Onizuka666
Posts: 266 Location: U.K |
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Insecurity!.....LOL...don't make me laugh, please. What I said has to do with the fact that we both perceive going to the cinema differently, because we are from different nations. So please don't paint me with your brush, because of what you know to be the norm in the u.s. Here, it's a social thing, you go with one or more friends and share the experience. All the best films are enjoyed that way, then you can also share your thoughts on a movie straight after. The alternative is to go on your own and then talk about what you saw to someone who hasn't. They think what you saw sounds cool, but obviously want to see it for themselves than have you tell them the vital plot details. Hope you understand now.
The examples given by someone of movie downloads sites is a good start, but we need more and perhaps sites that cover legal downloads of music, movies and tv series together. How long must we wait for more I wonder? The masses know how they want to consume media, but it seems the customer is always wrong. Also think about this for a second. Where do you think most of the films being shared around the net come from? They come from a lot of loners with video cameras who enter cinemas with the soul intention of recording a film (though thiis might not be the only source). Now perhaps if cinemas improved their security (night vision cams in the dark, maybe metal detectors at the entrances) a lot of this kind of thing would grind to a halt. Don't know if any of this has been done anywhere else, but it sure hasn't in the cinemas I know. Would it not make more sense to sort out this kind of security to stop cam cuts from flooding the net, than say suing people? If so, why hasn't it been done? I'm sure the number of cinemas on the planet is much smaller than the number of people downloading from the net. And where the RIAA and MPAA are suing people would it not make more sense to get them to buy their product instead of taking huge amounts of money that people don't (or might not) have, and thus preventing them from buying cd/dvd in future? Imagine drowning in candy pop than paying that money, which would you choose? As for the tv series angle, I think most people download episodes with the intention of watching and deleting afterwards. It's most likely harder to make a bootleg live action tv series on dvd and sell it more convincingly than a one shot movie (do correct me if I'm wrong). A difference from movies but similar to the anime side of things, is that some u.s tv series don't reach some nations like some movies. Exposure via BT of what might otherwise be gathering dust can then generate new fans, u.s DVD sales and perhaps like some anime, a reason for foreign networks to focus on purchasing a certain series. If this works for anime being licensed in the u.s, I see no reason why it can't work in reverse for u.s tv series and maybe it does but we don't know it. Shame you never hear about this. |
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Napoleon
 Posts: 11 Location: The Hegemony of America |
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I don't care about the movie side of the BT issue, but I got stuff to say about the anime side.
I am a person who refuses to go and buy anime DVDs without having first seen a couple episodes of the show. I won't spend $25 on a DVD I may end up hating. BT has (and Kazaa to some extent) provided me with a way to preview anime series and decide if I want to buy the DVDs. And I hate reading reviews; I trust only my own judgement. Thanks to these resources, I have bought all of Excel Saga, Last Exile, Full Metal Panic, Azumanga Daioh, and I just bought the first DVD + tin box of Full Metal Alchemist. Would I have bought these shows otherwise? I know for sure not Azu and Excel Saga, simply because I don't personally have any friends who are anime fans so noone would have lent me the DVDs, and the video stores around here dont rent much anime. They are weird shows and if I hadnt downloaded a few epiosodes of those shows on a whim I might never had become such huge fans of them. So has BT hurt the anime industry? Maybe. But it's certianly helped a little as well. Enough to justify it? No, but Ill continue to use BT as my preview tool. |
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Green Bird
 Posts: 12 Location: Northern, VA - and it's endless hours of traffic |
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lol, Looking back, it seems that I didn't think before I posted; I would not have been so intentionally inflammatory, had I stopped to think, knowing how it does wonders for getting an idea across.
What I meant to say was this: Your reason for having downloaded a few movies is weak at best; I (badly) pointed out that an alternative to waiting for friends was to go to the movie yourself (which you recently also said was an option). But then again, I find any justification at all to be weak. And please, do not be so hasty to raise your brush to me either. After living a decade in Africa, a few years in Indonesia, visiting my mother's side of the family in Vietnam several times and having my three closest friends who aren't American, but German, Danish and Australian...I feel confident when I say that the pressure society exerts (prominantly on teens and early 20's) to "fit in" results quite often in feelings of insecurity, and that this is not some US phenomenon, but a social contruction you'd be able to find just about anywhere. Additionally, our perceptions of the cinema are quite the same, I go with my friends to enjoy the experience as well - sometimes I go to enjoy it by myself. I can't imagine that because people are from different nations it must be a fact that they perceive going to the cinema differently; regardless of the country I lived in I went to theaters with friends or alone for the same reason. Hope we both understand now, yes? |
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Iron Chef
 Posts: 487 Location: Seattle, WA |
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THAT's for sure. And have you noticed how all the challengers have or have had shows on Food Network? |
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Sesshomaru
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here is something that i dont get.... Why is it that they spend money on tracking down people that download..than tracking down hackers.... and terrorist.. it makes it seem that piracy is worse than terrorism and hackers.. thats the only reason i hate MPAA and RIAA ...and here is a stupid comment that most people use
" if you download movies you are hurting the industry"...dont make me laugh... people are getting "hurt" because the Goverment and Feds cant track terrorism or hackers that mess up your comp and personal lives... all i have ever done is download fansubed animes.and some old games that i never find in stores...but other than that..screw the MPAA. if you people want to download ..then download... if you are into Anime fansubs that is hell.. mostly everyone in my town downloads and no one gives a crap. |
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Kazuki-san
 Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
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I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. Of course the government must deal with illegal downloading when lawsuits start being brought forth. And of course they still go after terrorists and hackers. Everything else doesn't just stop because there are terrorists, although they would like that.
Umm... yeah.. how many times have we been attacked here since 9/11 again? I don't want to turn this into a political argument, but that's quite funny. I guess people shouldn't get speeding tickets anymore either because the cops should be busier searching all over the place for terrorists. And yeah, hackers get arrested and prosecuted all the time.
Cool then. I'll just let myself into your place and help myself to whatever I want, because nobody here will give a crap. While we're at it, if you have a job, I'll just drop by and clean out the store or office or whatever that may be. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt the company. It's really a gray area when it comes to downloading anime. As I've said before, downloading unlicensed series is one thing. In those cases, you most likely would never have purchased an R2 DVD anyway, unless you can understand Japanese or there are English subs. But once it gets licensed, there is no excuse to download it. The absolute worst is downloading an R1 rip. |
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Sword of Whedon
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No it's really not. There's no gray whatsoever, it's just called making a justification in your mind as to why it's OK. People bought untranslated laserdiscs for 20 years before there were DVDs |
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Kazuki-san
Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
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Geeze, don't take it so literally. Obviously there is no legal gray area, but there is a moral one. Much more so then can be said for downloading a licensed series. Of course it's justification. Everything we do as people needs to be justified in our minds.
Sure, SOME did. Just like some people buy the R2s. The majority do not. |
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beelzebozo
 Posts: 308 Location: Aurora, Colorado |
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It is a grey area because no judge has ruled on the legality of fansubs. The law is there, but no judgements have been made. Hense, grey area. Also, under strict interpretaion of the laws, buying a DVD player that changes region codes is also illegal. And unless you want to buy DVD players to handle playing each region you want to go to, you are breaking the actual law even if you buy the legit R2 or R3 disks, because you are circumventing the protection technology the company placed on the machines and the disks |
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Cetus-kun
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The only thing I ever downloaded was the Chrono Trigger OVA and it was only available at a Japanese Trade Show and never commercially available even in Japan.
Would I get in trouble for something like that? If it was ever available in Japan I'd import a copy from CDJapan even though it wasn't that great anyway. It was only 15 minutes long so I doubt it will ever be licensed but if it ever is I'll buy it to make up for the fact that I downloaded to begin with. Aside from that the only other thing I downloaded was a Bleach commercial which isn't even the actual show anyway. |
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, all the heart and soul of the Japanese original bleached right out with chrome and stainless steel. 
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