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Sword of Whedon
Joined: 17 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:21 am
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| Quote: | | I'm not saying it's the best dub ever, hell it was one of the first ones they ever worked on. But this whole, ruining the integrity of the original stuff I just don't see. I'm also not sure where you are getting this "entirely unacceptible" thing. Gainax had a problem with how one particular line was translated, which they didn't catch until it had already shipped. That line was re-recorded for Plat.
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If it's dubbed, it's wrong because it is not presented as intended in its original form. Period.
The fact that they use the cheapest, most bargain basement "actors" and shovel the dubs out as quickly as possible is another matter entirely.
I got the unacceptible thing from someone, who did work on the Japanese original, not some community theater hack that was willing to work for peanuts and work the phones during the day.
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Kazuki-san
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 9:58 am
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| Sword of Whedon wrote: | |
If it's dubbed, it's wrong because it is not presented as intended in its original form. Period.
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I'm well aware of your feelings towards dubs. But, fact of the matter is, if it was so "wrong" then the Japanese would not allow a dub in the first place.
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Swordfish_II
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:02 am
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| Sword of Whedon wrote: | | If it's dubbed, it's wrong because it is not presented as intended in its original form. Period. |
And if it was intended to be watched with subtitles, it would have been recorded in a language other than Japanese in the first place. (assuming that most people who watch anime don't know any Japanese)
These whole "Sub vs. Dub" things just bother me. You like what you like, I like what I like. Whoop dee doo. Someone's opinion differs from yours. 
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Sword of Whedon
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:26 am
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| Quote: | | I'm well aware of your feelings towards dubs. But, fact of the matter is, if it was so "wrong" then the Japanese would not allow a dub in the first place. |
Perhaps if it were up to the artists that would happen. As it is, it's up to gigantic corporations whose only concern is cash. The director of Spriggan wasn't too happy it was dubbed for example, in fact from what I'm told he was royally pissed at the US con he found out at.
| Quote: | | And if it was intended to be watched with subtitles, it would have been recorded in a language other than Japanese in the first place. (assuming that most people who watch anime don't know any Japanese) |
That's ludicrous. Subtitles do not replace the original, directed intended performance by the actor. Dubbing eliminates it entirely.
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Swordfish_II
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:08 am
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| Sword of Whedon wrote: | | That's ludicrous. Subtitles do not replace the original, directed intended performance by the actor. Dubbing eliminates it entirely. |
But if you don't understand the language, it's probably difficult to pick up on inflection and things like that. Mostly because you'd be reading subtitles, which don't carry things that well.
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Sword of Whedon
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:16 am
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| Quote: | | But if you don't understand the language, it's probably difficult to pick up on inflection and things like that. Mostly because you'd be reading subtitles, which don't carry things that well. |
It's not hard to pick up on if you put in the least effort. Emotion is universal, and becoming educated in other cultural nuances can only be a good thing. So if you're not lazy, it's not a problem.
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IanC
Joined: 26 Sep 2004
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:44 pm
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Sword of Whedon, its pretty obvious that you hate dubs, but do you really have to "attack" the people who work on them, star in them and watch them in near enough everything single post?
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Toboe
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:52 pm
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For crap's sake, kids, stop arguing with Sword of Whedon. He's a troll; it's like trying to generate electricity by running in a circle on hardwood floors.
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larmesdesucre
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:08 pm
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So Sword of Whedon believes something is wrong, has good reasons for doing so, and consistently presents them to you in an argument that you can't effectively counter.. and that makes him a troll, because you believe otherwise and it's "right". Oh! I get it, it's a theocracy! I'd been going about this all wrong.
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Kazuki-san
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:09 pm
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| Toboe wrote: | | For crap's sake, kids, stop arguing with Sword of Whedon. He's a troll; it's like trying to generate electricity by running in a circle on hardwood floors. |
But.. but... it's so much fun!!!
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Spintii
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:07 pm
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| larmesdesucre wrote: | | My eyes will seriously risk rolling out of their sockets if I read one more superficial person childishly whine about something so trivial as the American box-cover for Innocence. |
Agreed. Though it would be nice to have something more sophisticated than the ho hum box cover that we have now, really in the end, I don't care what the cover looks like at all. If Dreamworks thought that that particular cover would help them sell the most copies, then more power to them. Let the creators create and let the companies market and, hopefully, never the twain' shall meet.
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Sword of Whedon
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:26 pm
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So Sword of Whedon believes something is wrong, has good reasons for doing so, and consistently presents them to you in an argument that you can't effectively counter.. and that makes him a troll, because you believe otherwise and it's "right". Oh! I get it, it's a theocracy! I'd been going about this all wrong. |
Thank you 
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kraid
Joined: 13 Oct 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:43 am
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Hey does anyone have a scan of the "V4" location? I want to get this DVD but not the one with the defect.
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Sword of Whedon
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:10 am
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They're not likely to be in stores yet, and as they said it's on the spine, probably underneath the logo
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vherub
Joined: 12 Nov 2003
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:29 pm
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So if the v4 is not in stores yet- that means EVERY existing copy should be sent in (if you want the fixed version, that is)
right?
and if the dvd will be travelling via mailer, wouldn't there be high odds of it getting scratched up (as any netflix/bb/walmart subscriber would be familiar with)? or is it travelling in better protection?
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