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Answerman - What Happened To DVD "Easter Eggs"?


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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:29 am Reply with quote
Levitz9 wrote:
Huh. I only ever knew of one Easter Egg on an Anime DVD. The old Kiddy Grade DVDs from Geneon (and later Funimation's old Veridian collection) had the old "Don't pirate these disks!" messages from the original Japanese DVDs hidden in the menus.

That was a Funimation license from day one.
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Usagi-kun



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:47 am Reply with quote
AnimEigo's recent Otaku No Video blu-ray release had a pretty awesome easter egg--Kickstarter backers in the higher tiers each got a personalized code for a special treat. Gotta say I love the throwback. I'm gonna have to go hunting online for a list fot some of these eggs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:19 pm Reply with quote
aisuru113 wrote:
I will now have to double check my Time of Eve DVD.

Was the theatrical release Time of Eve not for Blu-Ray only? I remember being quite disappointed that the DVD format was overlooked for such a strong title.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:31 pm Reply with quote
I remember owning the DVD for the first Harry Potter movie. You had to go through a complicated process involving several semi-hidden menus, just to view the deleted scenes. It was a terrible idea.

Good thing that most DVD easter eggs are trivial things that the buyer can do without.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:48 am Reply with quote
Back when AnimeOnDVD reviewed discs volume-by-volume, they would list the Easter Eggs on the reviews.
(And you'd have to read the reviews to find out if there's any problems with the disc before buying it.)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:23 am Reply with quote
I remember an "easter egg" on one of the original dvds of Evangelion from Madman Australia. While looking through the menus a 2-3 second clip of real life porn flashes. Maybe this could rather be considered a 'Blooper' by the dvd authors instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:37 am Reply with quote
Kalessin wrote:
...the only way that I watch DVDs or Blu-rays these days is to rip them to my computer to watch them as .mkv files. I don't distribute the rips, so it's all fair use, but I'm quite glad to be able to watch everything as normal video files...


I agree with you... it should be considered fair use, but by the letter of the law, it isn't, by simple virtue of the law prohibiting the circumvention of copy protection features. That's why programs like DVD Decrypter are no longer updated. It's the classic story of a few rotten apples ruining things for everyone.

Now, having said that, I do the same thing. I keep them on a hard drive (several hard drives, in fact) and use a standalone media player to watch them on my TV. That way I can watch an entire series - or two - and then switch over and watch Captain America, and never have to muck about changing discs. That's particularly handy for me, since I am disabled, and the simple act of getting up and changing discs is quite often very painful. Pretty much the only time I actually watch something using the discs is when I've just received something new and I want to watch it before I've had the chance to rip it. I can also take my entire video collection on the road with me simply by taking a handful of hard drives in my laptop case. And I never get rid of any of my DVDs, so no one can claim I'm pirating anything. They can say I defeated the copy protection, but they can't get me for copyright infringement.

The only DVD Easter Eggs in anime I've ever found on my own were the ones in Excel Saga. The rest I discovered by finding them in the encyclopedia entries here on ANN. If I were going to the trouble of putting a special feature on a DVD, I'd want people to be able to see it. I could never understand the point in going to the extra trouble of hiding a feature (yes, I do know exactly how much trouble it would involve), so that most people wouldn't even know it's there, and people who do find it will probably only ever watch it once.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:58 am Reply with quote
garrisonaw wrote:
I could never understand the point in going to the extra trouble of hiding a feature (yes, I do know exactly how much trouble it would involve), so that most people wouldn't even know it's there, and people who do find it will probably only ever watch it once.


It's the joy of discovery (as I mentioned, there are people who live for this sort of thing) and the idea that you know of, and have seen, something only a small percentage of its consumers have heard of. It's very similar to the sense of accomplishment felt by people who clear very difficult video games or receive a prestigious recognition award.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:59 am Reply with quote
garrisonaw wrote:
Kalessin wrote:
...the only way that I watch DVDs or Blu-rays these days is to rip them to my computer to watch them as .mkv files. I don't distribute the rips, so it's all fair use, but I'm quite glad to be able to watch everything as normal video files...


I agree with you... it should be considered fair use, but by the letter of the law, it isn't, by simple virtue of the law prohibiting the circumvention of copy protection features. That's why programs like DVD Decrypter are no longer updated. It's the classic story of a few rotten apples ruining things for everyone.


As I understand it, it's still fair use. The DMCA doesn't change that. It did nothing to the laws governing fair use. Rather, it adds new restrictions that are in contradiction with fair use. So, which wins out would depend on what happened if the situation would have to be decided in court. However, AFAIK, no such case has ever been decided in court - particularly with regards to bypassing encryption (the closest case that I'm aware of was in Germany over bypassing the encryption of DVDs to watch DVDs on Linux via libdvdcss, and the libdvdcss guys won; that's not the DCMA though, since that was in Germany). Cases involving the DMCA tend to be settled out of court and/or they involve copyright infringement (generally with regards to piracy), which is a different issue.

So, you have one law that says that ripping your DVDs and Blu-rays is perfectly legit so long as you don't then do stuff like give other people what you ripped, and you have another law that says that it's illegal to bypass the encryption on your discs. So, whether it's actually legal hasn't really been decided yet, and I'm not particularly concerned about it as far as ripping my own discs goes, much as I would love to see the DMCA struck down in court. And I rather doubt that companies like Funimation or Sentai are going to come after me for ripping my discs to watch them per fair use. The companies that might be that stupid are going to tend to be in Hollywood, and they really have no way of knowing that that's what I'm doing beyond my telling someone anyway. Where I would get in trouble is if I started distributing what I ripped, which is a different issue entirely (and clearly illegal).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:35 pm Reply with quote
BodaciousSpacePirate wrote:
dragonmastr wrote:
Has anyone found where the Time of Eve Easter Egg is? I've spent the last few minutes looking through the menus but haven't been able to find it.


I've sent you an explanation via PM.


Could you post the explanation here on this thread?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:01 pm Reply with quote
SejinPK wrote:
Could you post the explanation here on this thread?


I'd prefer not to post the explanation publicly, since Justin chose not to reveal it in the article.
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loka



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:30 pm Reply with quote
Justin wrote:
We didn't really have room for those little extras in the menu layout, and we did want to include them somewhere, so I hid them -- and didn't make them particularly hard to find.


This is great! Thank you for doing that!
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SejinPK



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:01 pm Reply with quote
BodaciousSpacePirate wrote:
SejinPK wrote:
Could you post the explanation here on this thread?


I'd prefer not to post the explanation publicly, since Justin chose not to reveal it in the article.


Ah, okay. Can you PM it to me?
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