Forum - View topicWhy Doesn't Stroker and Hoop Classify as Anime?
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PantsGoblin
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Hmm, show's I have seen put regularly in the anime section that are not anime at Best Buy and Fry's: Invader Zim, Code Lyoko, Gumby, Super Duper Sumos, Sonic Underground, The Last Samurai, and probably a few more I can't think of at the moment. Shows that are anime but I never see in the anime section at Best Buy (Fry's puts them in it though): Sonic X and Pokemon. Animes I have seen put in a section that Sam Goody labeled "hentai": Excel Saga and X. In other words, do not trust where stores put anime products. |
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Ohoni
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Anime can be animated anywhere in the world, but the creative staff behind the characters and storyline must be Japanese. I don't believe there is a term for it, but animation produced with Korean creative teams would be the anime equivalent of manhwa, not anime. Shows that look sort of like anime, such as Boondocks, Teen Titans, or Totally Spies, regardless of quality, are not anime. Animations they look nothing like most anime, are made in non-Japanese countries, and yet are really really good, such as the Clonewars shorts, are not anime. Shows that look nothing like anime but are produced by Japanese people, such as the Blood movie perhaps, are still anime.
I can't explain it, it really doesn't make sense, but it's just the way it works, that anything that is anime is clearly anime, and anything that isn't anime clearly isn't. It's really quite strange that this is so. |
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hentai4me
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my Virign Megastore places anime(all anime from sugar the tiny snow fairy to urotsukidoji) on the same shelf as pornography |
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PantsGoblin
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How can anybody be so evil and unintelligent as to put Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy on the same shelf as XXX? I really can't imagine the sight of looking at Sugar and right next to it I see some porno slut woman. Last edited by PantsGoblin on Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:52 am; edited 1 time in total |
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The Frankman
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Why do I hear so many people referring to Zim as Japanese anime? This is the cast page, am I missing something here?
I'm surprised I haven't seen it (if someone has posted it I apologize for not giving cred) but what about the distinction of anime=animation? In that case Stroker and Hoop is anime, albeit American. And Digital Dreamer, How can you say Genndy Tartakovsky's Astro Boy is Japanese anime? If that's true the Japanese version of PowerPuff Girls is really not Japanese anime then. All incarnations of Transformers are American then, since I believe the first version was American. |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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It appeals to the Lolicon fandom, that's why. 
I am so gonna go to hell for this..... |
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Digital Dreamer
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Transformers is rather difficult example. The yanks might of been the ones to produce the cartoon. But a lot of the models and toys orginally ripped off from various japanese toy ranges such as Diaclone, Diakron, Dorvalk, Kronoform and Microman. http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vdiaclone.html Like I rember my grandfather giving me a Diaclone toy. It was the Diaclone of one of the dinobots (I think it was Slag). Orginally I was accused of having fake transformer toy. About 3 months later, Hasbro release the next wave of transformer today. This included the vary same Dinobot. Transformers are really hard to deside. After all, it was the yank that ripped off the japanese toy companys. However the Yanks only did a few season of the Transformers. The japanese did their own thing with the transformers. However Hasbro deside that they would release the japanese transformers into the west. However they screwed every thing up by doing this abonimation called Transformers 2nd Generation where they rehashed the orginal cartoon and did a lot of stupid repaints. This killed Transformers in the west until about 1996 when they released Beast Wars in the states. The japanese took the first 2 season of beast wars and then added there own series. Now days, Hasbro seems to be more than happy just to use the japanese cartoon and toys in the west. Simulare thing happened with Voltron and Robotech, where it was orginally Japanese. However later seasons/episodes where product of the west. Plus to confuse thing more, there is various French/Japanese productions like The Mysterious Cities of Gold and Ulysses 31 . I am really interested in debating this further on when japanimation is still japanimation? Does it have to all (including product) be from Japan? Or we can we safely say as long orginal series and concept is japanese, it still anime. Or it is some thing in between? Or it is simply down to simple art form (the big eyes) and slightly more mature content. If the americans make there own adaption of a japanese anime ; Is it still considered anime? And If the Japanese make there own adaption of a American Cartoon ; Is it considered anime? I am interested in hearing other peoples thoughts on this. Like I am still of the opinion that as long as the orginal concept in japanese, then it's considered anime. But if other people disagree with this, and i am interested in hearing your take on this. I think so far we have all agree on that Stroker and Hoop is NOT japanimation. And for the record, I do not consider Invader Zim as anime. [quote="PantsGoblin"]
Some people really don't pay attension. Some people really don't know their product either. I had this one video store owner that kept bugging me on what anime are more adult and than others. Since i did not want to cop any legal shit for it, I told him to use the rating classifaction. (They are their for a reason) It took about 3 months for that to finally sink in. Now he moves all the anime that is greater that [PG] into the world movie section. |
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Isaaru
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Japan and America are simply land masses. Anime is an art style. Anyone can do it, with the right talent of course. And with anime becoming increasingly popular outside of asian culture, the future of anime may depend on what outside cultures can generate. It's like J-Rock, or J-Pop. Can we really call them rock or pop, since we don't hear them on MTV or whatever? Well, we would, but non "otaku" may call them pale oddities when compared to the greater whole. Did the Japanese culture develop these styles on thier own or were they inspired by the dramatic rise of these music genres within the last half century? I would think so, and in time the same could be said for anime, when inspiration causes that art style to branch out into other cultures. |
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Animefan16
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It depends on which audience it's targeted at and where it's shown first. Shin Angyo Onshi is made by Koreans but was made in Japan for a Japanese audience and were published in a Japanese magazine. There are american comics made by japanese artists like "Secret Asian Man" and "Usagi Yojimbo" but they're still American comic books not manga. Saying that they're not is racist just like it's racist to say that Shin Angyo Onshi is not anime/manga because the creators are korean even though it was made in Japan for a Japanese audience. It's the only non-japanese manga out. |
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Ohoni
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I don't think that's true. I couldn't tell you WHY it's not true, but it seems that anybody who's not Japanese who tries to make either anime or manga fails. Not that their product isn't good, I happen to enjoy plenty of "not anime/manga", such as Boondocks, Gold Digger, Teen Titans, etc., but it's not anime/manga nonetheless. There's something strange and mysterious in this world that only allows Japanese people to make real anime and manga, anything made by anyone else is inexplicably clearly not. |
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PantsGoblin
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Actually, I like loli. The thing is, I can't really imagine chibi characters like Sugar or Dejiko in it, even though I guess they would classify as being part of it. I think it's because their physical structure is quite different to that of usual loli characters like Sakura Kinomoto. |
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suna_suna
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Anime, in my opinion, is the art form of japanese animation when it comes from japan. A japanese creator would make it more so. american shows can come very close, but will never be what has defined the word anime for so long.
btw, invader zim was done by Media Blasters and Anime Works, who did Rurouni Kenshin. |
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The Frankman
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I just checked to find evidence of that and Anime Works comes up nowhere. This is all I could find: Produced by: Nicktoons Productions Nova Star Productions Distributors: Media Blasters Inc. (in 2004) Nickelodeon Network |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Anime Works and Kitty Media are under the same roof as Media Blasters as divisions (Anime Works doing the Anime and Kitty with the Hentai). Media Blasters helps distribute the work done by those two. |
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2Real
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The reason it dosent is because there is no real story LINE.
at then end of every episode that is the end of the story. there is no continuation from ep to ep. it is that simple. Also, to get further into detail, there is no devlopment in anyway, there is not plot or "final boss" to this show at all. It is more of a cartoon/ animeted short (i don't know if it can be called a short because it only streches for one episode over many episodes), but it is not a real anime. Just watch , lets say, FLCL, that is curently on CTN's Addult Swim at 12am on Monday-Wednesday, and you can see the difference. If you can't tell by watching the show, sorry to say this, but your not realy watching the show at all. You shouldn't watch anime if you can't grasp it to its fullness. You aprently are not viewing anime as it is men to be viewed (not that anime should be viewed in any way particular, but you HAVE TO KNOW about the happenings of everything, the world and everything in it, to completly understand it in its full potential). I sujest you sit down and REALY WATCH the difference between, let's say Stroker and Hoop compared to Ghost in the Shell. If after doing that you come back with the same coment, agan I'm sorry to say, you should not even post apon this issuse. *side note: once I have grown and begun to relise the world, then I can full understand the world itself. haha just something i thought was aproriate with my coments. Moderators, if you have a problem with my posts please PM me about it and I will change it myself. -Thanks to all who took the time to read this and those who coment on my oppinions! |
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