×
  • remind me tomorrow
  • remind me next week
  • never remind me
Subscribe to the ANN Newsletter • Wake up every Sunday to a curated list of ANN's most interesting posts of the week. read more

Forum - View topic
Evangelion: Death and Rebirth - thoughts.




Anime News Network Forum Index -> General -> Anime
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:32 pm Reply with quote
I've seen the whole series and everything, but recently I thought I would take a look at the movies and from what I can tell about Death and Rebirth is that its a recap of the series. So here I'am trying to find answers to the ending of the series in the movies and I'm getting nothing. It's just as confusing as before.

I'm not done watching the movie and this is the first Evangelion movie I've watched. It's about twenty minutes in and its nothing, but recap. Unless you count the short scenes where Shinji and Asuka are playing the violin and cello.

Does it get any better or what? Also how are the other movies? I have to ask because this one is not giving me high hopes. Which order are the movies in?

Please share any opinions on the general topic.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Mohawk52



Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 8202
Location: England, UK
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:40 pm Reply with quote
I suggest you forget that this sad attempt of bilking much dosh from EVA fans exists, and head over to End Of EVA, but don't expect too much there either. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ggultra2764
Subscriber



Joined: 21 Jan 2004
Posts: 3970
Location: New York state.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:41 pm Reply with quote
Death and Rebirth is basically the first half (Death) recapping the TV series with additional animated scenes that were later added onto Director's Cut editions of episodes 20-23 of the TV series while the second half (Rebirth) shows off the first half of the End of Evangelion movie. I would say unless you're a diehard fan seeking to see anything Eva-related, you would skip Death and Rebirth and jump to End of Eva as it is the next movie you would watch to follow Eva's plot continuity.

End of Evangelion was the 'true' ending that Hideaki Anno had planned out for the TV series which he couldn't accomplish due to Gainax running low on money for their animation budget for the show's final two episodes. Whether End of Eva or the final two TV episodes of Eva are considered the true ending of the series has been a big debate amongst fans.

The Rebuild movies are supposed to be a re-imagining of Eva with an easier narrative for new fans of the series to follow which does make the plot to the movies easier to follow yet at the cost of the great amount of character depth the TV series provided. So your mileage will vary on whether or not you find the Rebuild movies better than the original TV series.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website My Anime My Manga
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:57 pm Reply with quote
Ggultra2764 wrote:
Death and Rebirth is basically the first half (Death) recapping the TV series with additional animated scenes that were later added onto Director's Cut editions of episodes 20-23 of the TV series while the second half (Rebirth) shows off the first half of the End of Evangelion movie. I would say unless you're a diehard fan seeking to see anything Eva-related, you would skip Death and Rebirth and jump to End of Eva as it is the next movie you would watch to follow Eva's plot continuity.

End of Evangelion was the 'true' ending that Hideaki Anno had planned out for the TV series which he couldn't accomplish due to Gainax running low on money for their animation budget for the show's final two episodes. Whether End of Eva or the final two TV episodes of Eva are considered the true ending of the series has been a big debate amongst fans.

The Rebuild movies are supposed to be a re-imagining of Eva with an easier narrative for new fans of the series to follow which does make the plot to the movies easier to follow yet at the cost of the great amount of character depth the TV series provided. So your mileage will vary on whether or not you find the Rebuild movies better than the original TV series.


Man, this plot is really making my head turn. So from one perspective you have the low budget ending that happened in the series with the whole "You are yourself and there for I'am." thing and then you have a different ending in a movie.

Well depending on what kind of ending this movie gives me it has to make more sense then what happened in the series... at least I hope so.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Player No. 3



Joined: 21 Jan 2010
Posts: 209
Location: San Antonio, Texas
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:01 pm Reply with quote
While it is more concrete in the fate of its characters, End of Eva contains just as much (read: more) mindfuckery as the end of the series, hulten. You'll probably still have lots of questions regarding the plot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:09 pm Reply with quote
Player No. 3 wrote:
While it is more concrete in the fate of its characters, End of Eva contains just as much (read: more) mindfuckery as the end of the series, hulten. You'll probably still have lots of questions regarding the plot.


Well that depends on how much they give you to work with in the movie ending. If it can give me something more solid to work with as opposed to the series then I could peace together my own ending. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zin5ki



Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 6680
Location: London, UK
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:11 pm Reply with quote
Hulten wrote:
Well that depends on how much they give you to work with in the movie ending. If it can give me something more solid to work with as opposed to the series then I could peace together my own ending. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

It is more solid. spoiler[Or should that be "liquid"?] The main event towards which the series progressed is exposed very graphically. Upon reflection, you may find the series' ending somewhat disconcerting once you realise how it looks from the neutral perspective in which the film is shot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website My Anime My Manga
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Quote:
It is more solid. spoiler[Or should that be "liquid"?] The main event towards which the series progressed is exposed very graphically. Upon reflection, you may find the series' ending somewhat disconcerting once you realise how it looks from the neutral perspective in which the film is shot.

Finished watching The End of Evangelion and it sure gave you something to try and wrap your head around, but it feels like it left you off with not much reason as to why it all happened. Then again maybe it did. All I can say is that it really was graphic and disturbing... the opening scene made sure of that. spoiler[He jerks it while Auska is in an emotional coma? What... The... F-U-C-K...] It's all still confusing, but it makes just the most little fragment of more sense then the series ending.

I don't know who made up the story for Evangelion, but no amount of therapy could ever help that person. Don't get me wrong, it's a real head scratchier and all but its just a lot of what ifs come to mind.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kruszer



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 7994
Location: Minnesota, USA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:02 am Reply with quote
Death and Rebirth is a totally useless movie/OVA really. It covers some stuff from the series which you've already seen and then the second half is something you can see by watching End of Evangellion. The only possible reason to even watch it is for the awesome jpop song that plays durring the credits, "Soul's Refrain" by Yoko Takahashi.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message My Anime My Manga
Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor


Joined: 25 Oct 2003
Posts: 7584
Location: Wales
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:56 am Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
Death and Rebirth is a totally useless movie/OVA really. It covers some stuff from the series which you've already seen and then the second half is something you can see by watching End of Evangellion. The only possible reason to even watch it is for the awesome jpop song that plays durring the credits, "Soul's Refrain" by Yoko Takahashi.

Since these were theatrical movies DnR was for those who hadn't seen the series. Also for me, since at the time they were released here in the UK the series was still only available as a shelf full of expensive VHS tapes.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger ICQ Number My Anime My Manga
Mohawk52



Joined: 16 Oct 2003
Posts: 8202
Location: England, UK
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:51 pm Reply with quote
Hulten wrote:
I don't know who made up the story for Evangelion, but no amount of therapy could ever help that person. Don't get me wrong, it's a real head scratchier and all but its just a lot of what ifs come to mind.
Did you hear someone laughing in the end scene BGM? That was the director giving everyone the middle finger salute. I have my hunch he'll be doing it again at the end of the [not] movies. Like " I Can [not] Screw You Guy's Enough" Laughing Laughing Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:55 pm Reply with quote
Quote:
Did you hear someone laughing in the end scene BGM? That was the director giving everyone the middle finger salute. I have my hunch he'll be doing it again at the end of the [not] movies. Like " I Can [not] Screw You Guy's Enough" Laughing Laughing Laughing


Lol, yeah that sounds about right.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
facespace



Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Posts: 22
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:32 pm Reply with quote
I feel the Death and Rebirth were ways to introduce viewers to the series (basically Shiroi Hane said), but also to prep viewers for End of Evangelion. Furthermore, Death and Rebirth is kind of useless to watch now because Gainax is already releasing the current rebuilds of the show. I would watch those instead; they are much more gorgeous to watch, the only downside being is that they lack the in depth relationships between the characters.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hulten



Joined: 13 Jun 2010
Posts: 74
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:53 pm Reply with quote
facespace wrote:
I feel the Death and Rebirth were ways to introduce viewers to the series (basically Shiroi Hane said), but also to prep viewers for End of Evangelion. Furthermore, Death and Rebirth is kind of useless to watch now because Gainax is already releasing the current rebuilds of the show. I would watch those instead; they are much more gorgeous to watch, the only downside being is that they lack the in depth relationships between the characters.

I did watch the first part in the rebuild series, but it seems pretty much the same. Same characters, same plot, same teenage depression. There were some new scenes and they cut some of the not so important stuff out. Then again I have been eyeballing the second installment. It's just that I've been waiting for the dub to come out. I've only watched the dubed versions and I couldn't imagine watching the subbed version. I say that because I'm so used to the English voice actors that it wouldn't be the same it I did. I hope they do dub the second rebuild chapter. I think it was FunAnimation who does the dub, correct me if I'm wrong.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Anime News Network Forum Index -> General -> Anime All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group