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Devil Doll
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There are several animes where the normal TV airing didn't cover all episodes of the story, and some of these episodes were released much later on DVD when the episode list of the TV airing was already contributed into the ANN database.
I'm not talking about sequels (such as Kanon 2002 Kazahana) but about episodes that are to be inserted into the story at specific, well-known positions so that we could give them an episode number in the complete sequence of episodes. I'm also not talking about flashback episodes but about episodes that were omitted from TV airing for various reasons (be that questionable content, time schedule or whatnot) and leave a hole in the story when skipped. (Apparently) correct examples:
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EmperorBrandon
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No, it's correct as it is. Regardless of when the episodes take place chronologically, they are still officially numbered "14" and "15". |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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It's also possible to use episode numbers with a decimal point. But as EmperorBrandon pointed out, what's important is to use the official numbering scheme; episode numbers do not always reflect the chronological order (this being the stare-in-the-face obvious example)
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Shiroi Hane
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Haruhi may not be the best example since it has three "official" orders (including the latest broadcast with the 2009 episodes). The original Japanese DVDs didn't even number the episodes - the discs had numbers but the episode were just given by their names. The official site does number the episodes - but according to the "new" broadcast order placing Mikuru 00 as episode 25 (unlike the original broadcast and DVDs where it was released first).
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Devil Doll
Posts: 656 Location: Germany |
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Is there a way to find out which source is being considered the official source for episode numbers by ANN?
For example, the episode list of Chobits (TV) has not even any source given for episodes 9 and 18; for these two episodes an error report has been submitted asking for a renumbering to "8.5" and "16.5" (understandable as they're both mere recaps but http://www.tbs.co.jp/chobits/old/story/ as probably the official source has episode numbers 1-26). Would it be helpful to enhance the data model for episodes by one field carrying this "official source for episode numbering" (that might be set only by an encyclopedist but readable for contributors so that they don't try to submit error flags saying otherwise)? Or is this just to rare a case as to bother? |
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EmperorBrandon
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Posts: 2218 Location: Springfield, MO |
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Well, Geneon skipped those episodes and stuck the two recaps with the OVA recap and Chibits short on Vol. 7 for the R1 release. Not sure how the Japanese video release handled it. It's probably better to have it like we do now, anyway, which is the order of the original broadcast. In the case where episodes are added in between for the DVD release AND the order is officially renumbered, then I would say there is a case for using the DVD order over the broadcast order. One example is REC. The additional DVD episode was added between the broadcast 7 and 8, and it was officially numbered as 8 with the ones after it being renumbered. |
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Devil Doll
Posts: 656 Location: Germany |
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So there might be different official numberings for Japanese and U.S. releases?
If so, which one would get preference for the episode number scheme at ANN? |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
Posts: 3794 Location: Montreal |
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If the US numbering is different from the Japanese numbering, that should be indicated in the episode list through the EDITED episode number. As for the episode numbers in the precision field, those should definitely refer to the Original, non-edited episode numbers.
Too rare, and the data model for episodes is already creaky as it is, there's no way to make significant improvements. If you want to add a source for episode numbering, why not submit it as an endorsement? |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 7584 Location: Wales |
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On the subject of episode numbers..
There is only one episode for the Uta∽Kata (OAV). This has been entered (under a translated title) as episode 1, however it is referred to on the DVD and in the DVD booklet* as episode 13. Which should be used in a case like this? We also currently have the episode title listed as as "alternate title" (I entered the Kanji version 5 years ago). Should this be given here, in the episode list, or both? * For the original 2nd LE DVD box that was released alongside the singles; I'm not sure what is used on the 7th RE DVD nor the recent budget re-release. |
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Devil Doll
Posts: 656 Location: Germany |
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(Actually I rather want to find such an endorsement for a whole series before trying to change an existing episode list of which the already contributed episodes may have various sources or even no source at all so that it's not easy to find any "relevant" source for the whole episode list.) |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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For OAVs that have only one episode, like this, IMHO it's better to have the episode title as an alternative (or main) title. I mean, there's not much point in an episode list if it only contains one episode... but it doesn't hurt either. But listing the only episode as #13, now that would be confusing. |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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Hmm, indeed it's not possible in the current data model, but I think it would work just as well if you submit it as an endorsement for ep #1. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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I'm having problems with the episode list for Bakugan Battle Brawlers.
As aired on TV in Japan there were 51 episodes. From comments in error reports and the English and Japanese Wikipedias, I gather that 52 episodes were released on DVD in Japan and also in the US broadcast, with an extra episode inserted as episode 40. Someone tried to insert this as Japanese episode "39 A" (although without including the Japanese title 今日までそして明日から) which doesn't really work and I hid it since it was throwing off the rest of the table. What is the best way to go about inserting this extra episode (hopefully not involving re-entering the data for the last 11 episodes)? |
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Ktimene's Lover
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Shiroi Hane, having watched Bakugan (both seasons), I can that each was 52 episodes. Sometimes, the Japanese will have an additional episode meant to be aired in the USA or vice versa.
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
Posts: 3794 Location: Montreal |
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I've changed that episode's number to 39.5
How does that look? |
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