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v1cious
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8 hours later
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cz.petab
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Just to add some nitpicking to this thread (from the article, second paragraph, second sentence):
I'm sorry about my bad English, feel free to remove this post once the article is fixed (if you decide to do so). |
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Dante80
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Come on Zac, you are mean again. I didn't mean that through my post...here it is:
I was fansubbing Dallos at the time, so I just put the thread tab below the aegisub workbench to better watch the discussion. I always enjoy fansub debates, because although discussed to death we get some interesting arguments from both sides (and some times, we get new arguments on the subject too). Die-hards and/or crusaders aside, there is merit in discussing how much detrimental are fansubs to the industry, how can they become irrelevant and why some people still choose them over legal means now that we are in the dawn of the (legal) digital distribution age. Its just that these threads are not the place to do it imho. We could have a wonderful discussion based on the article, and the many points given inside (I isolated one of them in a later post). Yet, we (collectively) choose to isolate one sentence about fansubs, and have at it again. Last edited by Dante80 on Tue May 05, 2009 2:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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PetrifiedJello
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Heh. I couldn't help but notice the contradiction in this. I don't discount there are some people who went from buying to downloading. That's just a given. But I can't fathom a justification for these industries to state piracy is taking away from sales when those sales aren't going to happen anyway. Distributor: Hey, don't download! Buy our DVDs because they're loaded with extras you can't find on a fan sub site! Consumer: Okay! *purchases* Extras: textless opening and ending theme songs and a few previews for other DVDs. (yes, not all series are like this, but quite a few are) Woo hoo. Add to this the extras content in Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya when these "extras" use propaganda regarding fan sub sites on purchased material. Yeah, I'm so freakin' glad part of my $50 went to this crap. And you know, I also can't discount the fact our monies are being spent going after these sites rather than utilizing them to market incentives to get these people to buy. As a purchaser, I hope you can understand why I post regarding this topic. |
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zanarkand princess
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You are speaking of the way DVD extras work in America. Though I agree that all those Haruhi extra's with the spunky girls in costume were annoying and not really what I wanted to spend money on (Maybe some cast commentary?) but in Japan special features are different. They are often full of unclothed female characters doing things they couldn't show you on TV, sometimes you get a new episode or merchandise sometimes they even put a hentai episode on a DVD. |
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HellKorn
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This explains a lot of things. I'm skeptical on the shift, if only because "quality" simply translates to "what makes the most money." How this will translate to opportunities for auteurs I've no concrete guess, but I'm not optimistic. |
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prime_pm
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Ah, I missed that part in the article. Damn hyphens. |
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DomFortress
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In this day and age, when more and more gray areas in the laws are being created due to misinterpretations of the laws, and more individuals are challenging not just the justice system, but also the entire society as a whole by disregarding morality due to their own selfish greed, I get this feeling that the majority of anime fandom had become this monster that had lost its humanity of compassion: Do to others what you would have them do to you. Because we don't really know each other anymore and thus, we can no longer tell who we really are by ourselves. Instead, we get these overwhelming senses and attitudes of ungratefulness, entitlement, selfishness, that don't do anything but to justify an individual's greed and corruptions. And in the process of hurting ourselves and each others by sabotaging our own humanity, we're becoming lesser than animals that are capable of real compassion. Think about it, if the majority of the anime fans today are capable of compassion, would they do something so terrible and wrong like stealing intellectual properties from anime creators, while still calling themselves as fans who support the anime industry? If they were compassionate toward those who made the anime that they claimed to like so much, then why would they do such terrible thing? This is beyond unlawful nor immoral, this is sickening.
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PetrifiedJello
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I've seen a few DVD sets offer merchandise (tshirt, figure) with the purchase, and I'd love to see more of this type of campaign. If ADV teamed up with Good Smile Company or Max Factory and offered a Clannad figure with every DVD single, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Yes, I expect the cost of each to increase a bit, but it's better than trying to buy both separately! Now, I'm late to the party. Finding the figures is hard (and some have skyrocketed due to popularity). |
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zanarkand princess
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ADV couldn't pay me to buy Clannad, but anyway I think the reason they don't do this is a belief that American consumers don't really care about series related merchandise much and every time Bandai tries to do this with their over priced LE sets it fails. Why? Not because we don't like merchandise but because it would be cheaper to buy the DVD and merchandise separately in many cases.
Still as far as the decline of the industry goes I think that fansubs are a problem in Japan but changes also need to be made about the amount of shows that come out each year, what's being made into anime and who it appeals to.The same thing is being made 100 times each year and you never get new fans so you only end up splitting the amount of money the same fans spend more and more. |
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Descent123
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I'm far from done, but I don't like any of the new stuff at all. Then again I'm hoping that the new Cobra OVA/TV series and the Ai no Kusabi OVAs will be great. Last week I went and purchase a bunch of laserdiscs off a guy and he pretty much said that there's no good anime anymore (according to the guy all the new shows are a joke to him), so he's pretty much semi-retiring from anime. |
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GaryPotter
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It's like saying that Blood+ had low sales because of fansubs. No, it sold badly because Sony charged $100 for 25 episodes. No one would buy anything at that price.
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DomFortress
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And damn, LDs! You're more hardcore than I could imagine. The only LD I've seen was the Tehchi Muyo OVA that my sister owns, and she doesn't even have a LD player. |
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Kit-Tsukasa
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I didn't even bother to read the rest of the forum as soon as I saw the first two posts. First of all, fansubs are indeed to blame but that's only a small fraction of the problem and nowhere near the main issue. In addition, I'm sure they're aware that fansubs are a problem but certainly the least of their concerns at this point. The biggest problem, which many people from various sites I've read this article already have brought up and I'm sure here as well, is not fansubs, but rather many company's lack of creativity recently and lack of quality. As the article states, "Japan should emphasize quality over quantity." Moe, lolis, mecha are all booms, but constantly repeated and thus getting old. The era has come and gone and will surely come back, but it needs to rest for now. Someone needs to come up with something new like bringing back the good old stuff including Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Nanoha, CCS, Rozen Maiden, Da Capo, Haruhi, Kannazuki no Miko, etc... instead of COPYING THEM into a different setting with "different characters." In addition, throwing in something out of left field that is not only believable but also completely unexpected is one way to do things. 2003-2005 was the age of moe and lolis. 2000-2002 was the age of harems and maids. 1995-2000 was the age of action and mechs, action, and comedy. The wrong turn I see from this is between 2006 and 2009, companies combined all 3. Fall 2006 was a boom because no one expected so many "good" series all at once and from there it slowly died down because every company followed, copied, and produced what we get in this crap season. The only difference between what we have now and back then was they added a whole bunch of fanservice material....in other words, emphasizing more on ecchi than the actual story that people want and thus resulting in "nearly" trainwreck endings like Geass and Gundam 00 as well as those that indeed crashed like Druaga and Nanoha StrikerS. |
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Descent123
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I agree, too much quantity in the market, it's enough to turn me off. I have about 60-70 US anime LDs. I should upgrade the Tenchi OVAs and the Tenchi Universe to DVDs but I just like LDs so much more. I really love the packaging jobs since if you buy the LDs it comes with a lot of extras that you can't get on the DVD versions. I have three LD players, want one? |
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