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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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I just caught that Isshoni training topic and taking a look I was reminded of a question I had pondered previously - why would one get more excited over animated characters as opposed to real ones? Animation provides a means of depicting content more difficult to accomplish otherwise, whether it be a particularly polarizing fetish or unrealistic fantasy scenario; however when it comes to something as simple as depicting a body sensually it seems odd that an animated substitute would be any better than a real one from both a practical and principal perspectives.
Of course I suppose there is a degree of control over animation that might provide an advantage. In addition to creating characters with perfect proportions I suppose the simplicity of animation allows one to mentally fill in the gaps of information or perhaps because of their absence the image is all the more enchanting. Maybe that discrepancy makes animation an easier gateway into fantasy. I think nine times out of ten I'd rather look at something real; details are important to me. I think there's something to be said about the fantasy possibilities of animation as well though. What do you people think? |
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bucklemyshoe
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Sometimes Anime offers something that someone can't find in reality?
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Kruszer
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Personally, I don't see any difference in the ability of either to be arousing. They're about equal. It all depends on what your preferences are in that area though.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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A video of a real woman is still only a two-dimensional illusion as well, so why not pick one that is created flawless?
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abynormal
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The idea of the thing is often more important than its presentation.
If an artist or animator is able to convey sexuality and / or eroticism convincingly through his work, then he has succeeded at conveying his or her idea. Likewise for the photographer or filmmaker. Of course its possible to either medium to completely fail at it. I tend not to make distinctions. |
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JacobC
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I get the distinct impression that this thread, while interesting, will provoke a strong reaction of nausea in me over and over with each new affirming response. Sorry in advance.
I'm rather opposed to people indulging themselves in pornography to begin with, make that EXTREMELY opposed, so the thought of animated porn makes me even sicker to my stomach. Mmmm, voyeurism and creatively satiating urges by exploiting a sick sick industry... -.-' That being said, on a less graphic exploration of the idea, I understand the attraction to animated figures. They're created to be perfect in their attractiveness and because they're exaggerated idealizations of real people, you do get to "fill in the blanks" mentally as to how they'd really look. Still, the idea of being REALLY sexually attracted to an anime character (not just admitting that they're unnaturally good-looking with no real hot-on intent...) gives me the jeeblies like nothing else. |
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DuelLadyS
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If someone is a movie buff, they're going to find photos of actresses more appealing than, say, fashion models. If someone listens to a lot of music, they'll like musicians. I watch cartoons and play video games- why should it be odd that I like the characters depicted therein? They were, after all, designed to appeal to people. (Actually, I personally tend to prefer fictional art as far as pure fantasy fufillment goes... the fact that they aren't real helps take away from the nagging creepy-stalker feeling.)
As long you aren't passing up attractive folks in the flesh in favor of a drawing, I don't really see an issue. Edit: Just to clarify after reading some above repsonses... I am not considering pornagraphic works in the above statement- there's a difference between simple arousal and out-and-out eroticism. |
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Brazzlefrazz
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This thread reminds me of a quote from a sub of Welcome to the NHK I saw a while ago. Something like, "How does it feel? Seeing familiar characters doing this and that?"
People watch anime, and they generally get attached to the characters in some way, don't they? Depending on the type of attachment, they may be interested in "seeing familiar characters doing this and that". That can lead to being attracted to similar characters, either in looks, or personality, and on it goes. But overall, I agree with DuelLadyS on the matter. As long as such an attraction doesn't interfere with the possible development of healthy relationships, there's no harm in it. |
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rti9
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Hehe, Brazzlefrazz. All this discussion caused by training video reminded me instead of Madarame from Genshiken explaining why 2D works.
Maybe we can even make a connection with porn actresses. The fact that big proportions are the "industry" standard reflect that the average viewer should probably prefer fantasy over reality. It's like DuelLadyS said, if you're going to fantasize, why not with something completely out of reach or even unreal? I'm not really attracted by the stereotypical porn star physique of gargantuan breasts, but each one has their own taste. |
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fighterholic
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It seems the same to me so I don't see what the big difference or problem is with it. The thing with trying to make a real person attractive is that there is only so far you can go with that person, and they have their own physical limits (whether you're looking at regular movies or porn). There is a lot more you can do with an animated character, or rather there is no limits because after all, it's a drawing. However I think that regardless the character will have an appeal to it because it is made to be that way, just like real people are dressed up, have makeup applied, and talk in a way that is going to make them appealing or in the hardcore case, arousing.
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MorwenLaicoriel
 Posts: 1617 Location: Colorado |
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I don't know about arousing per say, but there's definitely some anime characters I find attractive...the same way I might find an actor or musician or a character from some other medium attractive. It's probably a mix of looks and personality, I think. (...Although I do have a thing for voices, so I guess certain voice actors (in either language) might help a bit.)
One thing I have noticed that's odd, though...I like a lot of anime characters with long hair (like, say, Edward Elric), but I REALLY dislike long hair on most guys IRL. I've never quite figured out why that is. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
Posts: 751 Location: Canada |
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@Dorcas_Aurelia: a 2d woman is still a photorealistic woman and thus closer to reality than a 2d animation. I don't really have anything more to say on the issue of flawlessness than I already have though; I don't even know that I would say that flawlessness is objectively better (after we define what is flawless of course).
@JesuOtaku: I hope my inquisition will not further contribute to the detriment of your frail constitution in these matters but I am resigned to asking: why you are opposed to people indulging themselves in pornography? If you have good reasons for thinking so then they are worth sharing. @DuelLadyS: I don't agree at all with your examples; one's occupation or hobby does not indicate their taste in sexual partners; I would agree that it wouldn't be odd for you to take a liking in them however that is conditional that one seeks partners with those common interests or does not mind either way. I think that is a common inclination though. Interesting that more than a few people would go out of their way to not condemn the animated fantasy end of things, something I neither mentioned nor intended to bring up (the reason being that there isn't anything wrong about being attracted to an animated character. It's not like it's a choice and even if it were such is entirely the domain of your brain. People who would oppose that would be advocating thought crime, which is ridiculous.) Something also to keep in mind is that there are a great many varieties of porn and erotica in both mediums; when perfection is being made reference to I am talking about how with animation the minute details of anatomy found in live action content are necessarily nonexistent due to the impracticalities and limitations associated with doing so. Both mediums exhibit physiques that are unusual in addition to the more commonplace ones. |
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Dante80
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Anime arousal - why not?
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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Since we would normally pursue humans and not animations of humans then what might it be about animated ones that makes them the object of fantasy in some? It's not a challenge to one's ability to do so but to examine why that might be the case.
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JacobC
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Well, first off, I don't have a frail constitution in these matters or anything. I just brought up the being nauseated thing because I do know far too many people who get...um..."too much" out of looking at an animated character, and this thread's title begged discussion of the idea which, while not making me faint or anything, just makes me lose a little more faith in the human race with each new example. Anyway... I'm opposed to it because pornography is an addiction, or at least, it can be and often is. You've heard, I guess, of married men coming to prefer pornography over the company of their wives? (Coming to...? Oops, pun.) Then there's the extreme otaku example of guys who idolize the fictional characters over any real relationship and use hentai or doujinshi to insert themselves into the situation -- oh dear god, that was another pun and it didn't hit me until...  Ew.
I just don't think it's healthy, getting attached to voyeurism. You know, I'm also opposed to people watching ultra-shock horror like Grindhouse and Saw installments that hold no artistic merit but to titillate the viewer with torture, so it's not just a sex thing. It's any kind of base drug-like retinal gluttony of immoral activity. Why glorify that sort of thing? Why reduce your character and sensitivity just to satiate your curiosity? I think there should be a point where people can say "No, I won't watch that just to see if it would pleasure or excite me because what I'm watching is gross and wrong and intentionally exploiting me. I'm better than that, and I honestly want to better than that." As for the whole, uh...masturbation thing, that's a different matter entirely. It's not like guys don't have to take those possessive urges into their own hands sometimes. (DANG it, I did it again!  ) I just can't condone scouring through porn regardless.
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