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PopcornHime
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If you check out CR's forum, then yes. Almost to the point that it's sad. I wonder about Veoh though... |
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YotaruVegeta
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Ok, so let's take the argument that watching streaming media is not preferable when you can download the fansubs and watch it at any time you want (online or off), and have a copy forever, technically.
Fisrt off, if the whole idea of fansubbing in the first place is to duplicate the same experience that Japan gets, wouldn't streaming be closer to that than torrenting fansubs? So having a copy for your hard drive is the deal-breaker? Well, having a copy of a TV broadcast is normally something that should be paid for, so if the anime companies are providing this over the internet, would people who enjoy fansubs now pay, say, $1 for an episode, DRM free? I think that's reasonable. If they threw in the ability to re-download a copy if you needed to, I think that's a good deal. AI think that the industry could come up with a deal like that. Even before that hypothetical comes true, I don't think you have a hell of a lot of argument to fansub Naruto when it's already being provided first-hand. Plus, on a site like Hulu, if you stop at a certain point in a video, you can start right back where you left off. That's why I've gone away from fansubs for years now, because the industry is finally trying to give fans what they begged for a long while ago. |
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Kireek
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By god, I mean I admit I complained about the prices of single volume DVDs and brought the reasnably priced boxsets instead, but thats it. |
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Brass2TheMax
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A couple of things:
Well, we didn't have much of a choice then did we? We have the technology now to get all of our anime in HD, one way or another.
A valid point. However, take into account the quality of HD. Now, turn it down to standard definition. Now, turn it down again for streaming purposes. It's like encoding a video 3 times, you'll lose quality every time, and in this case, the streaming solution compared to the HD solution yields quite a different result. It comes down to personal taste and some people don't care about the small difference. I however, do.
I agree.
I'd pay that. But CR is so much more expensive in comparison, and you get an inferior product. THAT'S what I'm complaining about.
It's not an excuse to download fansubs, we're simply pointing out what it would take for some of us (namely me), to CEASE downloading fansubs. And trust me, I'd like to, but I'm not willing to sacrifice quality for legality.
Actually, I'd rather pay for my anime, but I won't toss out the cash if I'm getting something I don't think is worth the cost. I'm willing to accept it'll be expensive anyway due to it being *duh* anime, but within reason. I don't believe in getting something for nothing, not one bit. Unfortunately, my practicality overrides this most of the time.
No, but it's an extra perk, not really required though. They should do what iTunes does with renting videos, be able to download physical files and just have them expire. I would be all for that and would be willing to pay for such a service, because I would get a better viewing experience. I know what I'm saying sounds selfish, I realize some people will read the first three lines of my post and go on just that as well. My ideal anime viewing solution: Companies offer downloadable (not streaming), time-based files which will expire in 24 hours after viewing the first time. Said files would be in full quality HD with softsubs, and distributed over BitTorrent (because it can be used for legal purposes, surprise surprise) to alleviate bandwidth costs and bring down the costs of distribution (maybe even the overall cost of the service). I WOULD PAY for that and leave fansubs forever. Last edited by Brass2TheMax on Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:44 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Waryas
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I wouldn't mind paying if they actually had "decent" HD.
Their 480p encode (they call it HD even though HD is considered 720p and above) is bad and their 720p encode on skip beat is at the wrong framerate, not cropped and badly deinterlaced. Call me picky but i do value my eyes and i wouldn't pay for a product that is going to give me eye cancer. |
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configspace
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I like the Kadokawa-Youtube model but like I had mentioned somewhat before, the CR model is different. The Kadokawa model brings them ad revenue on *any* user content where as the CR model is more traditional as it only allows officially approved content. Secondly the Kadokawa model gives free and equal access to all while the CR model splits its users into two groups in terms of access where the paying group gets earlier access by at least a week. It's not much of a big deal... until you want to join in any discussions. While I generally agree with your post and also dislike the whiners in CR forums, to be fair most of the complaints come from removal of fansubs for titles that CR does not yet provide. If CR were to use the Kadokawa model, then CR would identify which shows belong to whom and redirect the ad revenue appropriately. Then if an official sub is released, they can replace those shows in the future. |
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Josh7289
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Crunchyroll is only $60 per year. You can lock in that price if you start your subscription before January 8. |
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Charred Knight
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And if they did offer that than you would complain about how its time based and how fansubs are free, and don't have a timer. |
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bayoab
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A really short version of what is wrong with the above can basically be said by: This is basically what happens with fansubs (which are actually 4th gen encodes, raws are 3rd gen). There is no intermediate encode step between the resolution and streaming. If you do it, you do it simultaneously and it does not change the detail loss that would exist. (You primarily lose details, not quality between HD and SD.) The only difference is the bitrate and the codec used and there are codecs that are optimized for lower bitrates.
Or that it was too expensive since this ideal solution is basically how they handle Xam'd on PSN. Last edited by bayoab on Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:40 am; edited 2 times in total |
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tygerchickchibi
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I don't even know why...I read all 8 pages.
Man, this totally makes my brain hurt. =/ |
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Kireek
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LEGAL FREE ANIME
ANIME FANS AGGGHHHHHHH NOOOOOOO EGGGGGGHHHHH |
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Kireek
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[quote="Waryas".]
Call me picky but i do value my eyes and i wouldn't pay for a product that is going to give me eye cancer.[/quote] And yet you would watch the thing that gives you eye cancer for *free* I want someone to come out with a more funnier excuse than this if possible. |
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Tofusensei
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Once a culture of piracy has been built, it's tough to escape from, I guess.
-Tofu |
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samuelp
Industry Insider
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Ai, ai, Cap'N Roger! |
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YotaruVegeta
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At this point, early on in the evolution of bringing content from Japan to us as fast as possible, I can bear the excuses. However, I think that most people here have sense enough to know that if the anime industry keeps going along this track, they will come up with better methods of bringing content to all of us. When that time comes, I hope that you aren't carrying a bag of excuses as to why you don't support these legal channels.
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