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Tony K.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:31 pm
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Does anyone know exactly why this is in the anime section?
I saw the movie this past weekend and it is violent beyond comparison.
Who would've thought:
There'd be a movie where kids were allowed to brutally kill each other and what not by any means necessary on a remote island?
I hear this movie is supposedly banned in 12 countries. It's REALLY violent, but for some reason, it didn't really bother me. In retrospect to ANN's rating system, I thought BR was "very good."
I would say "excellent" or "masterpeice," but I'm afraid people may question me for my taste in gore and violence.
Heck, even my mother was interested in watching after seeing:
A dead teacher and a school girl get a knife thrown into her forehead.
Anyway, according to the ratings, only 36 people have seen it. The movie itself is based on a manga, but making it live action was a neat twist, in my opinion. Anyone else have their opinions? If not or you think I'm crazy for liking such a movie, you don't have to reply or anything.
I think it's a weird movie just because of the plot, but I think there's a hidden message like "rebel against authority" or "don't trust anybody" or something like that.
I was just curious, that's all. Have a nice day everyone!
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JETBLACK87
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:33 pm
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Actually, the movie is based on the Novel by Koshun Takami, which was released in the US by Viz. The manga version came out after the movie, and that is released in the US by Tokypop.
I would suggest reading the book. it is much much better than the movie. you can get it from Amazon.com or some other website and maybe from a local bookstore.
I haven't read the manga yet. I hear its a lot more graphic than the book or the movie. I also heard that the Tokyopop release had the story changed, apparently it supposed to be a TV show or something.
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Kyo
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:39 pm
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Like JETBLACK said, there is no anime for Battle Royale. There's a manga though. I have yet to read it myself however I seen the two movies. As for the banning, I know it was banned in Singapore but they re-released it edited. I've heard it's banned in America but it's not, according to BattleRoyaleFilm.net. I think it was too violent to be shown in theatres that the deal was off and if they edited it here for theatres, there wouldn't be much fotage to see.
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lianncoop
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:28 pm
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The Live Action movie is in the "not anime but related section." If you look at the Battle Royale that's listed in the anime section, it's an animated version.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:52 pm
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In my opinion it is very beautiful movie, but I really don't get what all this controversy over it being violent is all about. Personally I didn't really find it violent at all and was in no way disturbed by anything in the movie. But then again it does take a whole damn lot to disturb me with such things; actually I think it is more or less impossible. Ultra violence and tragic loss of life always had kind of kind of the opposite effect on me in that I find them to be very humours. Needless to say I was laughing all the way trough the movie, if I remember right.
By the way, a second Battle Royal movie has already been made although I have yet to see it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:48 pm
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Quote: | Anyway, according to the ratings, only 36 people have seen it. The movie itself is based on a manga, but making it live action was a neat twist, in my opinion. |
It's based on a book. The manga had the script entirely re-written for the US version, but the book came first.
The film hasn't been licensed here because the major studios won't touch it, and Toei wanted too much (supposedly $3 million) for the small guys to afford it. This may change
Battle Royale 2 was a horrific film, not in a violent way, it was just outrageously poor. By the end of it, you want to kill the kids yourself. Bad bad bad movie, wishing for a mindwipe to forget it. Part of the reason why it totally bombed at the Japanese box office
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cyrax777
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:05 am
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lianncoop wrote: | The Live Action movie is in the "not anime but related section." If you look at the Battle Royale that's listed in the anime section, it's an animated version. |
the Anime known as Battle Royale has nothing to do with the movie/manga/novel Battle Royale.
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lianncoop
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:18 am
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cyrax777 wrote: |
lianncoop wrote: | The Live Action movie is in the "not anime but related section." If you look at the Battle Royale that's listed in the anime section, it's an animated version. |
the Anime known as Battle Royale has nothing to do with the movie/manga/novel Battle Royale. |
I know. I was responding to Tony K.'s post asking
Tony K. wrote: | Does anyone know exactly why this is in the anime section? |
I should probably have put "...it's an animated show witha similar name." Now that I look at it, I have no idea what Tony K. was looking at because the only thing I see is Battle Royal High School, which as you said, has no relation to Battle Royale.
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Tony K.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:46 am
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lianncoop wrote: | Now that I look at it, I have no idea what Tony K. was looking at because the only thing I see is Battle Royal High School, which as you said, has no relation to Battle Royale. |
Ah. I see what the thing is.
I saw the title "Battle Royale (live action)" when going through the "My Anime" section to rate stuff. I saw the name a while ago, saw the movie recently, and remembered to rate it. Sorry for the mistake . It's not anime, but I was just wondering why it was on this site to begin with since it's not animated.
So there was a novel, movie, then manga right? Sorry for mistaking that, also. I actually borrowed the movie from a friend, and he said something that included the word "manga" in it. And since I wasn't really listening, maybe I misinterpreted him and thought the movie was based on the manga rather than vice versa. Again, my bad .
Great movie. I think I'll upgrade the rating now.
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cyrax777
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:32 am
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IMHO the manga wasnt very good they made it more of a splatter punk lets slather this with as much gore as we can compared to the movie and the US adaptation doesnt help either.
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Syker 07
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 2:55 am
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kamiboy wrote: | In my opinion it is very beautiful movie, but I really don't get what all this controversy over it being violent is all about. Personally I didn't really find it violent at all and was in no way disturbed by anything in the movie. But then again it does take a whole damn lot to disturb me with such things; actually I think it is more or less impossible. Ultra violence and tragic loss of life always had kind of kind of the opposite effect on me in that I find them to be very humours. Needless to say I was laughing all the way trough the movie, if I remember right.
By the way, a second Battle Royal movie has already been made although I have yet to see it. |
Just because it doesn't effect you doesn't mean it's not very violent. The controversy is likely over things like high school girls catching knives with their foreheads. That kind of thing tends to put more conservative folks off.
I loved it, though. It's a great movie to watch with friends who like a good action/slasher flick, and love to MST3K it while having a few beers.
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Caepy Suiyo
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:47 am
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Well, the film is really violent, with all the teenagers, killing himselfs for living...
But, besides that, the film is really cool...
I had only seen the first..
For who had seen both, what do you think it was the best:
The first, or the second
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Mew Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:29 am
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Sounds kind of like Lord of the Flies.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:14 pm
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The second one is abysmally bad. I've copied and pasted my very short review from another forum
Once you spend 30min being introduced to the characters that you just wish would all die on the spot, you go into a Saving Private Ryan ripoff for the next 20(it's almost shot for shot, except on 1/50th the budget without the good acting or choreography. Then the film repeats the same lame speeches for the next 45min over...and over....and over. (Let's just say that they're quite political in nature, and will result in Kinji Fukusatsu's dying wish that Miramax never get their hands on it). By the end of the film, after suffering through the most moronic terrorist cell ever (Let's see, they sent the BR kids after us, we beat them and stuck in our obvious base that they had zeroed, then they sent the special forces after them, we beat them and stayed in our obvious base they have zeroed, and now we're STILL STAYING IN THE SAME PLACE WE KNOW HAS A MISSLE ATTACK COMING FOR IT! YAY!
And let's not get into the flashbacks that seem to be there just so they can have flashbacks a la the later Highlander movies. The only bright spot in the film is when Beat Takeshi makes a cameo in one of them. The film ends with you cheering on the attacking forces hoping they'll off Shuya The Whiner, Dyejob and whoever else is left of their insipid band, slowly and painfully. AND THEN we have the 10min epilogue whose only purpose is to say "Hey! There's Noriko with her cameo!"
I loved BR1, thought it was a fantastic film. This is just garbage.
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ANN_Bamboo
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 1:17 pm
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Tony K. wrote: |
Who would've thought:
There'd be a movie where kids were allowed to brutally kill each other and what not by any means necessary on a remote island?
I would say "excellent" or "masterpeice," but I'm afraid people may question me for my taste in gore and violence.
If not or you think I'm crazy for liking such a movie, you don't have to reply or anything.
I think it's a weird movie just because of the plot, but I think there's a hidden message like "rebel against authority" or "don't trust anybody" or something like that.
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Tony, there is a hidden message, but it's the opposite of what you stated. According to Fukusaku, the director, it was this rebelliousness and mistrust amongst Japanese youth that he wanted to go against. He wanted to show children that that attitude is what's wrong with Japan.
The movie/novel carries a very deep message behind it, and serves as a a wonderful example of social criticism. Fukasaku had expressed his desire that every junior high student in Japan watch it, because his movie was aimed at the youth of Japan. His movie was on the verge of being banned in Japan, but after showing the board the film, they decided to allow it to be released.
Tony, if you want to know more about the novel/film, its backgrounds and motivations, and an in-depth analysis on it, I highly recommend checking out the section on Battle Royale in the books Tokyoscope by Patrick Macias, publishe by Cadence Books, a subsidiary of Viz and Shogakukan.
At the beginning of the film, you see something scrolling up that tells you about how the economy has gone sour, and through clips of the characters, that children are blowing off authority and hurting their teachers. This backdrop of youth's disrespect of adults and mistrust of them has not only been used in Battle Royale, but is a running theme in many shows dealing between the student/teacher interaction (even in shows like GTO).
As the words say at the beginning of the film:
Quote: | In the beginning of the new century, the country fell apart. The Japanese economy collapsed, the unemployment rate skyrocketed, and all grownups lost their confidence. Therefore, the children came to feel contempt for parents, teachers, and authorities. Disorder in classrooms, stabbing of teachersm and boycotting of school became a widespread epidemic. |
This set up is not just a scrolling window at the beginning of a movie, but a shard of reality grounding the events of the movie with the social disarray that Japan was in.
The remote island that they are on can be seen as a microcosm of Japan. The BR act is something that is meant to awaken youth and society to the dangers that are brewing in society.
According to "The Most Dangerous Movie Ever Made: Behind the Battle Royale Controvery in Japan" by Tomo Machiyama (also found in Tokyoscope), the film drew its inspirations from the events around the time.
Quote from the essay:
Quote: | Japanese juvenile delinquency has gotten more extreme and ghastly, especially recently. In May of 1999, a 17-year-old boy kille a housewife with a knife. A few days later, a boy the same age hijacke a bus and stabbed a woman to death. In August, a 15-year old boy massacred a whole family in his neighborhood. In December, a 17-year old boy tried to blow up a video shop with a bomb. Their motivations were far beyond our understanding. The bomber said that he just wanted to destroy humans. The housewife killer said, "It didn't matter who she was, because I needed to know how it felt to kill people." The busjacker said that he wanted to follow the housewife killer. Adults thought these kids might be confused and couldn't tell the real world from virtual realities, like movies and video games. That's why Eirin (Japanese equiv of MPAA) thought the script of Battle Royale wasn't appropriate for young people.
Fukasaku, meanwhile, had the reverse idea. He thought today's teenagers needed to know the difference between real killing and DOOM. In order to do that, violence in Battle Royale should look as disgusting as possible. Fukasaku, the direct who's said, "I'm not interested in 'action entertainment' at all. What I want to make is a film about what violence is,' started to shoot the film without any self-restrictions or compromise...
<regarding scenes Eiren wanted to cut> Fukasaku refused to cut any of them: "Getting the go-ahead from Eirin means that the movie is wholesome, harmless, and boring. I'd rather accept a bloody R-15." The pobrlem is, the movie was made for kids under 15. The resolve this contradiction, the 70-year old director declared, "Kids, don't worry about the R-15. Just rush into the theater! I made this just for you, kids! I hope you guys have enough guts and wits to make it in!" |
Before the movie was released, the National Diet and the Minister of Education had a discussion about the movie. They said that it needed to be banned, but couldn't tell yet, because they hadn't seen the movie yet. So a screening was set up for politicians and PTA members.
Quote: | <regarding the scrolling window at the beginning of the movie> This was not fiction, but a real situation Japan had been undergoing ever since its bubble economy burst. Now the tables were turned. The audience was being blamed by the movie.
As a solution, the government (in the movie) creates a death game, called Battle Royale. Teacher Kitano forces his students to kill each other, but in the end, he wants to die with the one student he really loves. That is his way to take responsibility for failing to bring up his students decently. Maybe he is wrong, but he's better than the audience, who avoided their responsibility and laid the blame on the media.
Nobody kicked their seat or walked out in a rage during the screening. Some of the audience might have been ashamed of themselve.s They might have though BR was just another trashy exploitation movie cashing in on graphic violence, but in fact the film presented a very serious and strong political message to them. When the movie ended, unexpectedly, some of the audience applauded.
Hiroshi Kawaguchi, a 39-year old rep from the Liberal Democratic Part, confessed he was deeply touched by the movie. "Even though I've seen a lot of body-count movies, like A Better Tomorrow and Natural Born Killers," he said, "Battle Royale is different from them, I think. It gives seriosu and earnest commentary about family, friendship, education, parenthood, and love. I was really impressed. I think it should be shown to junior high school students."
<responding to an attack on the movie about how the film was too violent> Fukasaku calmly-- but it was easy to hear the deep anger in his voice-- answered Ishii (a rep of the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party), "Do you really want to the government to control movies? DO you really want to get back to the time of World War II, when the government really made children kill people?" |
Machiyama, Tomo. "The MOst Dangerous Movie Ever Made: Behind the Battle Royale Controversy in Japan." Tokyoscope. Cadence Books: 2001. pg 149
Anyway, I'm sorry the post was so long, but that essay is really something I think everyone should read to get a better grasp of Battle Royale. It's a wonderful film, but as Americans, it is harder for us to grasp the deeper meanings of the movie since we don't have that background of Japan, but I think this essay help bridge it a tiny bit.[/quote]
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