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agphoenix
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I just finished watching 'Shigurui.' I can tolerate a lot of grotesque violence, but I really question the amount and reasoning in this one.
Here's what's shown: (my disclaimer: it's disturbing) spoiler[ 1. A guy licks a woman's nipple. (fine) 2. The guy bites the nipple off. (sorta gross) 3. He starts licking the detached nipple. (getting weird) 4. He turns his head upwards and squeezes the nipple until the blood squirts into his mouth. (WTF) 5. He looks back at her, puts the nipple in his mouth and starts chewing it like gum. (OK...OMFG...WTF...WHY)] All they wanted to convey was a traumatizing experience right? They could have done that with much less. It actually pissed me off a little. What're your thoughts? Do people actually care 'coz this one made me think a LOT. Which ones pissed/grossed you out and most importantly, where do you think the gratuitous molestation should stop? Use SPOILERS please. Thank you. 
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Isikari
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Ok, that was really disgusting. This is something I thought of when reading the 'most disturbing scenes in anime' thread and it really blows my mind how much of this stuff is out there.
I have almost no tolerance for gratuitous violence / disgusting scenes/ fanservice, so the moment an anime gets to that point, unless its REALLY GOOD I drop it like a hot rock and move on. The most disturbing thing I've seen in an anime which I tolerated for more than 2 seconds because the anime itself was so good was from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episode 10. spoiler[ There's a killer on the lose who went crazy after a secret military operation used to spread fear in south america where the commandos skinned innocent civilians alive, they didn't show too much detail just like the first second or so of the knife cut and a skin jacket later on but it was still messed up]. I'm not goin to watch that in a re-watch, but it was handled in such a way that I feel it dosen't discredit the anime as it got an important plot point / character development across. My opinion on this is pretty simple, I can't stop anime companies form putting this stuff out there, but I can make a statement with what I buy, so all those fanservice / disgusting scene / ridiculously violent anime won't see my dollar. Really, that's all any fan can do. |
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watchdog210
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Ok...I am now going to pour bleach in my eyes.
I don't have a problem with R-rated materal (fan service, blood, violence and the like) but there has to be a story. And not just a flimsey half baked story used as an excuse just to show boobs, but a real story. But, as with all things, there is a line and some people just have to cross that line, or, as in this case, blow the line away. I don't begrudge anyone who wants to see that stuff, but I want no part of it and try to avoid henti (sp?) like the plague. Sometimes, once something is seen, it can not be unseen. |
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Ishmoo
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Geez, that's nasty. I can't believe that was shown in something that isn't a hentai. Yuck!
For me, anything that involves kids getting hurt or killed is highly disturbing. There's a scene in Hatenko Yugi where spoiler[a boy is taken backstage at a circus. He subsequently dissapears. They spend the episode trying to find him only to discover that he's been killed already for "parts." His body was used to patch together some creature the evil circus MC had created. That was especially awful because they showed the mother desperately searching everywhere for her child. I can't recall exactly, but I think they left her without any explaination as to what happened to her son. ] It was all the more disturbing because I didn't see it coming. |
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agphoenix
Posts: 12 Location: Latina, Italy |
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lol. It does make one want to do that doesn't it? And what you say next...
...is exactly my point. I agree with you that there has to be character context and story to maybe establish the necessity for what I feel is gratuity.
And it's not even considered hentai. Shigurui is a historical anime about the patriarchal lifestyle in the dojos centuries ago. Where do managaka/artists need to stop? Is it just shock value? |
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watchdog210
Posts: 114 Location: North West Florida |
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Agphoenix...
Here is another thought. How much of it is about shock value, and how much is about subjugating (sp?) or demeaning women? I am not one who is easy to gross out. I am a Security Police Officer and a former Volunteer Firefighter, and I have responded to some really bad accident scenes. I won't go into detail but I have cleared calls and gone right to Waffle House and had steak and eggs and not thought twice about it. It didn't bother me. But the scene you posted turned my stomach, not because of the injury, but because of the way the injury was inflicted. I must say that this statement is no reflection on you. I am just making a point. An accident is sad, regrettable and sometimes very messy, but it is just that. An Accident, no malice involved. But cruelty is a different story. Someone means to hurt someone else. And the scene you posted, if I'm not mistaken, was an intimate one. When a woman submits to a man that way she has put herself completely in his control because she trusts him, and to take advantage, or hurt her at that time is the lowest most vile thing that can happen. But I digress, the point I'm trying to make is that there are some truly sick people in the world and the only motivation they need is their own gratification. Edit 1 time for spelling. |
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Enjeru
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What is really disturbing is things much like that happen in real life. I for one do not go for the blood and gore anime series, however, if I am watching a series and there is a scene that is kinda out there; if it is done well and in a way to elevate the story or the characters, then I find it to be really powerful.
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Zalis116
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Kruszer
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I can usually take a lot if it's animated though I draw the line at sexual violence like graphic rape or other forms of unconsentual sex, like in a lot of hentai which is the main reason I don't like much hentai.
I also don't like pointless or meaningless graphic violence that serves no purpose to further the storyline or characters. Usually this is against defenseless women or children. Still I have seen a few graphically ultraviolent shows that I've liked quite a bit like Claymore, Elfen Lied, and the two Higurashi no Naku Koroni series. These series had other draws for me besides the violence factor though. |
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ikillchicken
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Damn, I was actually looking forward to Shigurui. That's just messed up though.
This is sort of what it comes down to for me. I've got no problem with graphic content as long as it's handled tastefully and for a purpose. If it isn't, I am still fairly tolerant of it although it will be a strike against the anime. |
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fighterholic
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Night Shift Nurses. They had some really nasty stuff going on in that one as well, and I don't even know why I decided to go through and watch the whole DVD. It takes bondage to a new extreme, and will make you think twice about what it really is about.
Details (disturbing): spoiler[After guy injects girl with liquid through anus, girl can't hold it anymore and defacates on the floor. (Feces is detailed)] spoiler[Guy sticks eggs into girl's vagina and then puts tape over it to keep eggs from falling out.] spoiler[Guy bangs her in her anus with eggs still inside as well, and as it keeps going the eggs break, while still inside.] |
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x-tengentoppa-x
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from hentai of Time to Screw
spoiler[while doing a girl the guy jams the tube of a vacuum in her vagina and says"i can feel my stomach being poured out"] spoiler[fists the chick all the way in the vagina and the chick starts pissing everywhere ] |
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Labbes
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Now, that stuff from Shigurui is really detesting. I had heard in another thread that it had a lot of violence (So I was really not interested in it), but that is really over-the-top. Good grace.
Still, I would say such...behavior of a character, if it makes sense within the anime, can be good to show something, although I can't think of a really good example. Otherwise, it's just for the shock factor, or an overall atmosphere of senseless killing and violence. Mnemosyne does that, too, although it doesn't really go that far. The most disturbing scene would be spoiler[the bad guy playing...chess? with that girl with a lot of blades in her back, and he sometimes pushs another one in] - you have to see it, the visual appearance is really, really haunting. |
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agphoenix
Posts: 12 Location: Latina, Italy |
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How do I multi-quote from different posts? [and use them in my own reply]
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Use the "quote" button on the first post you wish to quote. Then, either use a new tab/window to find other posts, which you copy and paste into your own post. Or, scroll down from your post, and you will find the last few posts in the thread, and then do the copy and paste. Whichever way you use, make sure that you employ quote tags for all quotes after the first. If you wish to add names, as in "X wrote...", go [quote="X"]Paste Actual Quote Here[/quote, where X is the person's username. Note that I deliberately left out the closing bracket on the end quote tag, otherwise it would have appeared as an actual quote. Hope it helps. Last edited by dtm42 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:08 am; edited 1 time in total |
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