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Arale Kurashiki
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Getting in ahead before anyone else here and clarifying something really important: Mylene is not sexually assaulted in Dynamite 7, someone attempts to sexually assault her (drugs her, etc.) and she gets rescued at the last second, after which the entire thing is never mentioned again. I keep seeing people say it like it actually happens. I don't like the subplot, but it's not, like, graphic.
With that out of the way, the thread can get on with its big argument about censorship from lots of people who've never actually seen Dynamite 7 because nobody's seen Dynamite 7. |
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GATSU
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I haven't seen it, but hey, if they can let Deadpool be uncut...
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v1cious
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I actually think it was Japan's decision. Drug stuff, in general, makes them antsy. |
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Ggultra2764
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I have. 
Do remember the offending scene in question when I seen Dynamite 7 years ago. That felt pretty random and creepy to add in for what's otherwise one of the more lighter entries in the Macross franchise. Otherwise, I get why the whole side-plot was removed because of the whole situation making light of rape and milking outdated LGBT rapist tropes. |
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Nachtwandler
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I saw Dynamite 7. Though it was so long ago that I do not even remember what scene it was. The only things I remember about Dynamite is that it had some plot related to space whales poaching and that it ended Macross 7 story without any romantic resolution. |
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Ggultra2764
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I can refresh your memory. The events of this happened in episode 2 and the start of episode 3... spoiler[Since Basara left Fire Bomber to journey around the galaxy until dealing with said whale poaching, it left Mylene as temporary lead guitarist of the band and also in the middle of considering a potential solo career. A woman claiming to be able to help her in that venture took her out to a restaurant where Mylene got the spiked drink and was taken elsewhere for the woman to attempt having her way with her. Thankfully, Veffidas was able to save Mylene before things went too far with the lesbian rapist.] |
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BlackHowling
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I have watched Dynamite 7 as well. Like the commenter above said, the entire scene and subplot with spoiler[Mylene's manager (?)] is creepy, unnecessary for the plot, and contains outdated negative tropes. The only purpose is to say, "here is what is going on with Mylene at the time while Basara is doing his thing." Dynamite 7 has some of the best songs in the series ("Angel Voice" being the highlight), and I am much more likely to recommend the OAV with the scene excluded. |
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Emufreak
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With cencorship like that companies should not be surprised If people pirate anime to get the best version, censorship is always wrong even if it had been a really graphic rape scene, anime should never be censored
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getterdrill
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So, here's the thing.
Dynamite 7 was a multi-media project, meaning the full story was split across an OVA (Dynamite), a manga (Mylene Beat), a two-volume novelization, and four cds (Dynamite Fire, Radio Fire, English Fire, and the Galaxy Network Fan Disk.) The attempted Mylene assault scene in the OVA is ONLY THERE to get you interested in buying the Mylene Beat tie-in manga, and possibly in order to raise the age rating and 'justify' the jump to direct-to-video format. Since Mylene Beat is not available officially, and will not be any time soon, I see absolutely no harm in removing it from the STREAMING version of the show. Most people will only watch this once and will never actually buy it on home video, if they can even stomach Macross 7 enough to get to Dynamite. As I see it now, these cuts are analogous to catching an R-Rated movie on tv and seeing that the swears are bleeped out, or a steamy scene is cut for a commercial break. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Now, if they remove the scene from the home video release (Which we all know isnt happening anymore lol.........) then we can all get into a discussion about 'censorship' and the like. |
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mdo7
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Uh oh, to any mods reading this: please make sure this thread doesn't get out of control, including maybe soapboxing whether by intentional or not.
I opposed any censorship no matter how bad it is, but yeah... Maybe this anime should've had the episode not included if you don't want any controversy including controversies about censorship. Whether you censored the graphic scene or leave that episode and that horrific scenes intact and uncut, it'll still create controversies no matter what. I'm not going to argue if this is justified or not, but I understand the controversy after reading this. But yeah, I think the mods may need to monitor this thread so it doesn't get too hostile and too small-minded where they think that this was western censorship when it's not. |
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John the Dark Lord
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For those who don't know, there is a single volume manga called Macross Dynamite 7: Mylene Beat that depicts what Mylene was doing during the events of Dynamite. It includes the sexual assault scene from the anime too, but also shows many other events before and after. Given it was released in the same year, I guess one of its scenes was put in the anime to better connect the two.
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mdo7
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Also, I was looking at the ANN's encyclopedia for this particular title, and I see this came out in 1997, just a year before Pokemon came to the US, and the anime "boom" that we had the years after Pokemon and Toonami, so that's why we probably didn't know about that disturbing scene in Macross Dynamite 7 until just now, and the fact that this is an OVA and not a TV series, and there was no Youtube, no social media like Facebook, Twitter/X, or Tiktok, no smartphones/Iphones, and high-speed internet was still far from mainstream back when this come out, so that's why we just learned about this.
Here's my question: When this anime OVA came out, was there any controversy in Japan over that scene when it first came out? If it did, did we (as in fans of the US) somehow not knew or was not aware of this? I mean, was there no one in the US (& Japan) making bootleg fansubs of this episode with that scene in there on VHS prior to the streaming and this censorship report? If there was bootleg fansubs VHS with this episode with that scene intact back in late 90's and early 2000's being passed around in the US back then, how did no anime fans in the US not talked about it (I mean I didn't expect this anime to get the level of attention that other obscure anime got at that time in early 2000's). But if somebody in the US saw this episodes on a bootleg fansubs VHS, then somebody would've mentioned or talked about that disturbing scene on Reddit, or on a anime forum way before this ANN article talked about the censorship and that scene. How the heck are we just learning about this scene just now? 
Again, like the anime, did the manga received any backlash or controversy over that scene? If it didn't, or it did, but we somehow missed it. If it didn't receive any controversy, or backlash, then wow, how messed up are we that it's OK to depict attempted sexual assault of a main character in a entertaining way. |
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Ggultra2764
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Probably because Macross 7 is known for being one of the more divisive entries in the franchise due to its dabbling into more "super robot" elements of the mecha genre compared to other entries for it and many not getting far enough in the series to consider dabbling into Dynamite 7. |
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getterdrill
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Anyone who's watched the show has already discussed the irrelevance of this scene to death. Usually to warn their friends "Hey watch out for the Mylene thing in Dynamite." and "Mylene's thing ruins Dynamite." YOU might just be learning about this now, but the rest of the Macross community has known for years. |
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MarshalBanana
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