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Digimon_Sommelier
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Judging by the teaser, I think there's another TV sequel to the original gangster Digimon Adventure/Digimon: Digital Monsters anime coming on January 5, 2025!!
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RupanSansei
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One of my upopular opinions is that Chargeman Ken is actually good as it just so unique that nothing can quite compare to it. It is in no way the best anime you will ever watch but it certianly will be hard for you to forget watching it.
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Piglet the Grate
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I recently watched Hand Shakers and liked it enough that I am now watching W'z.
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Blood-
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I didn't like either. That was back in the day when I stuck with shows even if I wasn't enjoying them. I thought the writing was bad, but I was one of those weirdos who actually liked the photo-realistic style and I guess that's what kept me soldiering on.
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Bundle_of_Organs
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- Dragonball (Z)'s...
...the story ending with Goku dying as the only Super Saiyan whilst defeating the universal threat of the space emperor, Freeza, was the strongest story conclusion to a main character's story arc the series could have ever had. It could have really helped kerb the power scaling that had made many interesting characters and themes redundant to the plot and thematically, I think it was actually a very powerful, poetic and bittersweet conclusion to Goku's journey for strength, all the while staying true to being a selfless innocent hero. The franchise wouldn't necessarily have to end there, either. A continuation series focusing on the other character could have toned the power levels back down. A form of the 'Android' and 'Cell' story arcs would still be doable, and far more reasonable in terms of the enemy's capabilities, considering they are about the progression of the Red-Ribbon cyborg's (Yes, 'Cyborgs' - Not 'Androids'.). Did anybody else not think it was a ridiculous leap that Gero could create something that could contend with a legendary alien species that the earth had never seen before, when before they couldn't contend with Goku as a small child? It would have been interesting if it was a challenge left for the cast that was now taking up the mantel. --- Serial Experiments: Lain anime series adaption... ... Has a great story; But the animation and telling of its story is terrible. It drags and reuses footage constantly, and burns time on screen holds for 'artistic' or 'dramatic effect' for too long and far too frequently. It has dreadful pacing and makes what is a very intriguing plot into one of tedious storytelling, focusing on the wrong things at the wrong time throughout it's run. --- Born in Abyss (This one might not be unpopular with the average anime enjoyer, but it will be unpopular with the hardcore fans)... ...has wasted it's potential as a story and is let down by Author fetishes or misusing characters. In between the incredibly compelling and dark story, it sexualises young characters whilst defending that it's actually 'characters coming of age', 'puberty' etc. Whether or not that take is true, it does absolutely nothing for the story. I don't see how it helps. There are also lots of disturbing and connotations regarding these sexual themes explored in probably as many ways as there are fundamental plot points - some of them overlap, such as spoiler[ during flashbacks, an incredibly young, seemingly not even of sexual maturity having an obsession with giving birth and DOES through sheer willpower] - which disturbingly lays the foundations of the plot of an otherwise very compelling story. The story shocks you with dark, mysterious, psychologically disturbing with sudden visceral gore many times and I think all of that creates such a powerful show for one that has such a cute cast of characters and pretty art...but it is just pushed too far and tainted by the writer's taboo, grotesque, sexual fascinations. If anyone chooses to respond to this post, I suggest you do not try to oppose my argument here - It won't do your image any favours. --- The Live action Cowboy Bebop... ...didn't do a bad job. I think it often told the story just as well, and occasionally improved on the original's storytelling. Visually, I love the original and I love each of the standalone plots and stories so much. But do you know what fans don't admit that was certainly improved in the original anime? The Villain. Vicious (V) was NOT an interesting villain in the original anime. The plot that he and Spike were former colleagues in the 'Red Dragon' crime syndicate that came to odds when V's lover, Julia, had an affair and tried eloping with Spike after nursing his near fatal injuries. The story relevant to V, often involves vague explanations of about one of the trio of characters either wanting control or escape from the syndicate, characters playing dead, wanting vengeance on the other, or being tragically killed by another's actions. It is quite a typical noir mob drama love triangle plot which doesn't employ the Sci-fi themes of the show to work. His character only did what the story required. He was more of a story device in the original show, I suppose? That's not bad storytelling or anything. But calling him 'Cowboy bebop's main villain', I feel, has always been a bit of a stretch - an over-exaggeration. I call him 'Spike's Nemesis'. V doesn't affect the majority of the story or other Bebop crew in the show - He only really comes into play when they reveal Spike's background in a limited volume during the last story arc where they fight to the death. V's death seemed absolute and some argue that Spike's death was 'ambiguous' - personally I think it's more likely he died too (but that opinion's not really relevant to this post). So what was V's personality? I think some of their precious-few descriptives for him are 'Vengeful', 'Exclusively a Killer' 'resentful', 'power hungry' and 'unforgiving'. That seems like quite a few things for a character - those traits can really only be summarised by two Plot points in the show; V taking control of the crime syndicate he worked for; and wanting vengeance on Spike in the affair with Julia AND running away from the syndicate. So what about the rest of him? Is there anything else? Yes. There is. He has hokey, cheesy lines with overdramatic descriptives that I suppose are intended to be poetic or sound deep, but are just a bit cringy or 'cartoony'. His wanton violence and swordplay IS cool, though. But that's it. He is JUST an adversary. A plot device to explain Spike's casual wandering soul attitude and private past and his life's conclusion. Everything that vicious is, was limited, because they only wrote things that would serve as devices to tell you a little bit more about who SPIKE was. Vicious was a character, but he didn't HAVE character. Diehard fans will hate this, but - despite looking like a bad cosplay (The wig, I could never get over the wig); Netflix's Vicious had a lot more going on for him and the adaption actually made him far more interesting as a person and much more rich in himself, providing as a storyline constant that helped tie all the events together. (PS originally wrote this bebop a bit in a Reddit post - so you are not mistaken if you think you might have read it before). --- Typical Anime voice acting in American dubs... ...are the worst, home to some of the most untalented voice actors in the industry, and part of what makes good anime seem like garbage to people watching them first time - the unnatural way of talking and acting whilst annunciating the lines completely alters an audience new to the Anime genre's perception of what anime is. It is cringy, overacted, tone-deaf, and is more like a bad trope/habit in the American animation/anime dub industry. Some people watch Japanese dubs with subtitles because they want to experience the anime as it was originally released (Which Is often the case for me) - but a major factor I watch the subtitles, is that I CANNOT STAND the typical annoying voice acting style that every studio seems to think is standard for anime dubbing. --- I think that's enough ranting opinions that you'll probably hate me for. I have so many more, but I think I have burnt enough time on this. |
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gjtenham
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This is my first post on this forum, but I find it to be significant to share. Just recently, I finished watching the anime Hunter x Hunter (2011). It was really amazing and I want to start reading the manga very soon. However, there is one part of the series, which left me totally heartbroken after I finished the last episode (148). This particular event happened during episode 131. I know many of you would disagree with what I am going to write here, but I am pretty sure that there are also some among you who agree with me. Anyway, it does not matter. It is something that is weighing on my heart.
spoiler[ I just spill out the beans, cut to the chase right away: I am madly in love with Neferpitou! Pitou is my waifu! She has shown such tremendous growth during the Chimera Ant Arc. She is intelligent, curious, creative, imaginative, loyal, compassionate and empathetic. Moreover, she is literally the cutest. I know, she killed some humans. In particular Kite and Pokkle. Noteworthy: Kite got killed after he already slaughtered many Chimera Ants and at least he got reborn. I know that it rubbed some people the wrong way. However, you should realize that Chimera Ants were taught that humans are nothing more than food. The same way most humans see other animals - a clear parallel. The thing is, both Pitou and Meruem started to understand the value of human life. Pitou put her own life at risk to save Komugi. She even showed respect and compassion towards that idiot Gon. What Gon then did to Pitou was truly horrific, utterly atrocious. He massacred her and kept hitting her already broken body until his fist was quenched with her blood. I would not even wish this to happen to my worst enemy!!! I could not stop crying when Neferpitou died in such a cruel and painful way.] spoiler[Even now I get emotional while typing this. From start I was not a big fan of Gon, but this event just wanted me to personally slaughter him to avenge Pitou. Here, Pitou committed the ultimate act of kindness and selflessness by sacrificing herself for her love for the King (Meruem). Gon (on the other hand) revealed his true, unhinged monstrous form. A wild animal, purely instinct without any intellect. What made it even more heartbreaking, is that Pitou died without knowing the King's true name: Meruem. At all, Pitou is a selfless character. I do not care what others say. Even if the whole world would tell me that she is evil, I will still love her. Pitou's death, the detonation of the miniature rose: it clearly shows that humans are the most evil and vicious creatures on the planet. Here, it shows a clear parallel between fiction and reality; life in its ugliest and most heinous form. I hate you, Gon! Go to hell!!! Give her back! Bring Pitou back!!!  I am still heartbroken for my waifu... I love you, Neferpitou!!! Pitou forever!!!]
[EDIT: Added paragraph breaks and adjusted spoiler tags. -TK] |
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Flash33
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I think people hate on English voice acting (or really any non-Japanese voice acting) and praise Japanese voice acting too much. While I'll freely admit that there are many examples of bad English voice acting, most of it is confined to 80s-00s dubs, and it's undeniable that it's improved since then.
Preferring one over the other as long as a fair chance is given is fine, but I think part of the problem is people have gotten so used to bashing English VA whenever they hear a bad performance that they convince themselves that there's no such thing as good English VA performances & can't/won't accept or admit otherwise. Same goes for praising Japanese VA to the point where they convince themselves that there's no such thing as bad Japanese VA performances & can't/won't accept or admit otherwise. I go into more detail here but to sum it up if we're gonna be so quick to praise JP VAs when they give good performances then we must also be willing to criticize them when they give bad performances. Same goes for English and any non-JP VAs. |
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mdo7
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That's what I want to say too, and you're not alone. Ever since 2 American games: Ghost of Tsushima and Skullgirls (by the way, Skullgirls' Japanese dub packed some very well-known seiyus like Rie Tanaka, Kana Hanazawa, Miyuki Sawashiro, Daisuke Ono, & Sugita Tomokazu) have started to include the Japanese dub for the US/North American release despite both of the game were made in USA, and the Japanese voice are "the dub" by default, I never seen those same dub haters criticize or hate on the Japanese dub of those 2 American-made games. Also, beside watching anime in English dub and also in Japanese voices, I've listened to Japanese dub of American cartoon too, and I've discovered even Japanese voice are not superior for them. They can range from good to mediocre, I wrote a comment on a thread (I have to find it). But I remembered an Answerman article from 2016 asking if it's OK for English-speaking anime fan to criticize Japanese voice-acting, the answer is yes and I don't understand why there are anime fans that criticize English dub will not dared criticize the Japanese voice acting let alone bashing the Japanese dub when they included the Japanese dub for Skullgirls, and Ghost of Tsushima. I just don't understand/get it, even a long time ago on a ANN article, a person said that even Japanese voice acting is not superior. |
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Flash33
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Thanks for the ANN article links. I had never read them before and thought they were interesting reads. And yeah it's an annoying double-standard that some people like to pull regarding ENG vs. JP voice acting and one that really needs to go away (easier said than done I know but still though).
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mdo7
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Yeah, it's a very annoying and unfortunate thing. But you have to remember that a lot of these happened in the past way before the existence of DVDs, Blu-ray discs, and streaming like Netflix, Prime Video, Crunchyroll, etc... But thanks to people on Youtube posting clip of American stuff dubbed in Japanese and the inclusion of 2 American video game having Japanese dub. I guess that arguments break down, and oh I found the the thread from 2018 that I made it clear that the Japanese language is not a superior language.
By the way, judging from your profile and the date you joined ANN, I can tell you're brand new, welcome to ANN!!! How old are you by the way, and how long have you been in the fandom prior to joining ANN? Anyway, back on topic... My unpopular anime opinion: I think today's isekai subculture fandom (that includes a lot of Sword Art Online/SAO fanbase) don't know how to respect the older isekai titles that pre-date/came out before Sword Art Online. Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of isekai genre, nor Sword Art Online. I'm also not a fan of .Hack franchise. I swear to god people seem to treat Sword Art Online (they're treating it like it was something sent from the heaven) and any isekai titles that have came out in the last few years like they're a brand new thing when the genre itself is not that brand new. I mean, this is my ranting about isekai fandom in general: SAO fans and any fans of isekai titles like The Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime seems to disregard isekai titles that came out before them like I found it disturbing that SAO fans would attack .Hack for ripping off SAO even though .Hack came out decades earlier before SAO anime was created. Even .Hack fans were appalled at SAO fans for lashing out at the franchise like that (and at the same time were baffled why SAO was able to gain mainstream acceptance when .Hack did the concept decades earlier, and as people pointed out, was better executed then SAO's fictional universe). So this tells me that SAO fans didn't even bother to do their research or somebody tried to show them .Hack but I guess there are SAO fans that aren't open-minded to watching pre-SAO isekai titles. I have seen fans of .Hack accusing the anime fandom of not giving the .Hack franchise the same love and the same mainstream acceptance that SAO got. That's the same argument I heard from fans of pre-SAO isekai anime titles like Escaflowne, Magic Knight Rayearth, Fushigi Yugi, Digimon, etc.. They're accusing SAO fans and current isekai anime fandom of not giving these pre-SAO isekai titles the same love the fandom would give to SAO, Konosuba, Re: Zero, Log Horizon, etc... I mean I would agree with this because the pre-SAO isekai titles including .Hack are the forerunner to SAO and today's isekai titles, and they're considered classics amongst anime fandom (and this needs to be applied amongst current isekai fandom). Oh, and before you tell me: "mdo7, these isekai fans are younger demographics so don't take it out on them. Those pre-SAO isekai titles you just mentioned, they're decades old, they're not going to watch anything that old." So where were the older fans of Digimon, Escaflowne, Magic Knight Rayearth, Fushigi Yugi, and other pre-SAO isekai titles (the one that we grew up with or was able to watch before SAO made isekai looked cool) that didn't try to guide the younger isekai fandom, why did these older fans not introduced them (the younger fans) to Escaflowne, .Hack, and the titles I just mentioned? Why did Bandai and other IP holders that owned Escaflowne, .Hack, Digimon, Magic Knight Rayearth, and Fushigi Yugi didn't re-release these titles (ie: anime, manga, and other merchandise) to take advantage and cash in on the isekai fad that SAO and other recent isekai titles created. I mean you have a 90's and 2000's nostalgia wave (which are started by Gen Z and younger Millennials/Zillennials out there) that is happening at the same time, those companies sould've taken advantage of that and the isekai fad to re-release those pre-SAO isekai anime titles I mentioned. So "the anime is too old for them to watch" argument is a load of bullcrap, if there are Gen Z engaging in 90's and early 2000's nostalgia wave, then that means the younger isekai fandom demographic would've had no problem watching pre-SAO isekai anime titles out there. For Escaflowne (an anime from 1996), well, at least 28 years later, it's now trending in Japan recently. So this gives me a positive sign that maybe the younger isekai fans (and I assumed retro anime fanbase, yes, I suspect there could be a legion of retro anime fandom. I mean you have retro video game fandom, so why not a retro anime fandom consist of young Gen Z fans) could lead to pre-SAO isekai anime titles to be re-discovered by the same fans that watched SAO, and other isekai anime coming out today. I hope Aura Battler Dunbine, and Orguss along with the pre-SAO isekai anime titles I mentioned above could find a new audiences amongst younger fans because they deserved the same love and recognition that any recently made isekai anime titles are getting. I find it very disturbing that today's isekai fandom just recklessly and dangerously ignored Aura Battler Dunbine given it's historic importance on isekai genre. End of my unpopular anime opinion ranting. I hope my rant won't cause a big debate or flame war on here. |
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Flash33
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I'm currently in my 30s (I don't really pay attention to my age though as it's just a number to me) but had been viewing ANN for a while before making an account and am decently active regarding anime discussions on various sites. For instance if someone wants suggestions for anime to watch I'm more than happy to provide some for them. Some anime I grew up watching were Beyblade, Shinzo, Daigunder, Mon-Colle Knights, Oban: Star Racers (though that being anime is a stretch it was the first time I remember hearing JP language music as the JP ED (one of my favorite songs) was kept in the ENG broadcast on Jetix), One Piece, Pokémon, Digimon, Yugioh and various Toonami and Funimation Channel shows like Naruto, Deadman Wonderland, IGPX, Sekirei, Sword Art Online, Fairy Tail, Date A Live (though I can't remember if I saw it on the Funimation Channel first or not), Soul Eater (though I don't remember much of it), the Evangelion films, Summer Wars, Inuyasha, YuYu Hakusho and Bobobo-Bobo-Bobo.
Also, SAO fan here, and this is the first time I've heard of SAO fans bashing other isekais (though I think calling an SAO an isekai is stretching it a bit, or at least I've never really thought of it as one), though it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case as some fandoms have toxic people like that unfortunately. I personally tried to watch .hack before years ago and just couldn't get into it (I think the slow pacing was what made me lose interest), and the others I've just never seen or heard of before. That said I would never go out of my way to attack fans of other shows. For example I'm personally not a fan of Spongbob (I've always liked The Fairly OddParents more) but I know others are and that's fine. I think perhaps availability is one reason why some people don't engage with older shows like Escaflowne and Fushigi Yugi, as unless you pirate, get lucky to find it on Youtube or pay a premium for the box sets (or know someone that has them) you're unlikely to be able to see them. That doesn't excuse their toxic behavior of course though, and hopefully communities with this problem can do a better job at controlling these people if not ban them outright. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6594 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Hey huh, @Flash33
I don't want to veer off topic by chatting with you on this. I just sent you a PM to reply back to whatever you written above. So I'm going to end the conversation on this thread. So we can talk more on there. Also I got 2 more unpopular anime opinion I like to also add on
Now, as I said, I'm happy to see anime has now been widely accepted in the US mainstream, and to couple with that, the rising popularity of non-anime adult animation in the US could lead to those old ultra-gory anime OVAs from the 80's and 90's could find new life. I'm hoping titles like Genocyber, Bio Hunter, Angel Cop, Violence Jack, Devilman OVA, Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D, and maybe others could find new life and new audiences in today's world given that adult animation is now widely accepted. These ultra-gory OVAs and anime films when they first came out in the US back in the 90's, they were widely condemned by some critics and parents were not aware of these titles and would accidentally or dumb-blinded borrowed these titles thinking these are for kids, when they're not. But now today, the adult animation market is big enough for these ultra-gory old school anime OVAs to find new audiences amongst people that watch any non-anime adult animation on Netflix, Prime Video, HBO Max, etc... I'm hoping any adult animation fans that never watch anime in their life could branch out to these anime OVAs/films and find the beauty of these titles (I know some of these titles have not aged well, or not as good as they are remembered), but it still can entertain. I'm hoping the popularity of adult animation could help Yoshiaki Kawajiri's works (ie: Goku Midnight Eye, Cyber City Oedo 808, Wicked City, Demon City Shinjuku) find new life. I mean what animation fans can't resist his character design and his fluid animation.
You all remember when a local PBS network/channel in San Jose/bay area broadcasted anime back in the late 90's/early 2000's which included subtitled (and dubbed) anime. I believe KTEH broadcasted Evangelion subtitled on there. Well in a twist of irony, many years later, the main flagship of PBS have started to broadcast foreign language English subtitled European drama nationwide and as part of Masterpiece courtesy of Walter Presents. Yes I know it's hard to believe that PBS is now showing subtitled dramas from Europe. I haven't seen PBS broadcast (or added on their PBS Passport catalog) any subtitled TV dramas from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, or China, or any of Southeast Asian nations yet. But this is just my thought: If a local PBS channel in one market previously broadcasted anime subtitled in the past, and now you have a main flagship channel broadcasting foreign-language dramas from Europe with English subtitles nationwide, then it should be fair game for PBS to create a block dedicated to subtitled non-mainstream anime titles as in I want lesser well-known anime as in titles that aren't mainstream or not being broadcasted on CN/Adult Swim (and that aren't Netflix "originals"/exclusive) to be shown on there. That would make a lot of people that used to work at KTEH, and people who grew up watching anime on that particular channel very happy and to also honor Karen Roberts (KTEH's program director who was responsible for bringing anime to KTEH, she passed away in 2006 sadly). |
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RupanSansei
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American dubbing nowadays sucks aside from Bang Zoom & they should bring back Canadian dubbing with Ocean, Blue Water, Wanted! Sound + Picture, & Cinegroupe J.P. however that is likely my patriotism speaking
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Jose Cruz
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Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Gou (2020-2021) is a masterpiece, in fact the best anime of the 2020s so far in my honest opinion (I liked it even more than popular sensations like Frieren).
It is not a very popular show but I think they took what made Higurashi great and raised it to 11 by putting the conflict fully inside the characters of Keiichi's "harem," making it even superior to the original Higurashi which I think was already a classic by spoiler[turning the friendship dynamics of Rika and Satoko into a very interesting horror development.] I also liked the new art-style, as its more moe than the original one. 
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