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James02
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:20 pm
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Understandable, but no one should complain about it. It's just a cartoon.
In general (not strictly this), it is kinda annoying though that adults who don't follow anime continue to want to ban them for violence just because they think it creates violent acts of kids.
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ktarf
Joined: 30 Jun 2024
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:29 pm
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This is obviously idiotic on many levels, but the worst part is that anyone who's actually read even a fraction of the manga knows that it contains nothing but genuinely positive, educative and useful messages specifically aimed at school students (its target as a shounen manga).
Korosensei is an inspiration and a model for all of us, to keep him from teaching is simply barbaric.
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Ashen Phoenix
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:38 pm
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I try to wrap my head around these bans but every time they just scream "pearl-clutching" and "bigotry" in one form or another. I really can't see how Assassination Classroom would genuinely contribute to a student wanting to harm a teacher or another student. The teacher in question is depicted as a canary-yellow octopus alien from space who, by the end, has taught the children self-worth and love for pursuing their dreams and passions.
If you want to object to the mere inclusion of firearms, knives, and/or slightly sexual content--fine. The manga is meant for teenagers; somehow I don't think they'll be traumatized.
The objection to Sasaki & Miyano, on the other hand, is just straight-up homophobia and ignorance (but I doubt anyone was fooled into thinking otherwise). I was introduced to the anime, and after a 12-episode season, the most sexually explicit thing the main characters did was share a kiss and hold hands. I personally enjoy the series because of how carefully and thoughtfully it treats adolescents and the change from a platonic to a romantic relationship that two people can have.
Then again, the article even highlights how the parents are rallying against even acknowledging that anything other than heterosexuality exists.
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Kougeru
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 8:40 pm
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Nothing about this is "understandable" unless you only read the title of the manga. Even looking at the cover art should be enough to have had this situation laughed away - he's an ALIEN FROM SPACE. We're not allowed to have fiction about assassinating aliens from space now? Mind-boggling. Meanwhile Oklahoma is forcing Bibles into public schools - a book which has FAR worse content. This country is going backwards so much and will continue to for the foreseeable future. Unironically because over half the adults in the country are functionally illiterate ( reading is below sixth-grade level).
If these people are so concerned about showing content like guns in school.... well, maybe they should pass better laws to protect school children from the real guns that somehow keep ending up in our schools and hurting our children. Of course the reality is they don't care about kids - they just care about controlling our kids.
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MyMasterMatthew
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:36 pm
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Ashen Phoenix wrote: | The objection to Sasaki & Miyano, on the other hand, is just straight-up homophobia and ignorance (but I doubt anyone was fooled into thinking otherwise). I was introduced to the anime, and after a 12-episode season, the most sexually explicit thing the main characters did was share a kiss and hold hands. I personally enjoy the series because of how carefully and thoughtfully it treats adolescents and the change from a platonic to a romantic relationship that two people can have.
Then again, the article even highlights how the parents are rallying against even acknowledging that anything other than heterosexuality exists. |
I don't doubt that homophonia is the leading reason for banning Sasaki & Miyano, but I'm pretty sure the manga has some sexual moments. I don't remember if it's explicit, but I'm guessing not (it's been a while since I read it). Of course, I'd be shocked if the people calling for the book bans actually read the books they're campaigning against, so they probably didn't know this.
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AniMangaNime
Joined: 02 Oct 2023
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:06 pm
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Every time someone reduces Assassination Classroom from genuinely a nuanced story with nothing but positive messages to students trying to kill their teacher, an angel loses its wings, a piece of rock falls down from Highest of Heaven to the Deepest of Hell.
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:12 pm
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Kougeru wrote: | Even looking at the cover art should be enough to have had this situation laughed away - he's an ALIEN FROM SPACE. We're not allowed to have fiction about assassinating aliens from space now? Mind-boggling. |
Uhhhhhh... Koro-sensei isn't an alien. Sure, he may look like one, but he isn't, they say as much in the first episode of the show.
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Bertram
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:18 pm
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Kougeru wrote: | Nothing about this is "understandable" unless you only read the title of the manga. Even looking at the cover art should be enough to have had this situation laughed away - he's an ALIEN FROM SPACE. We're not allowed to have fiction about assassinating aliens from space now? Mind-boggling. |
Is it really that hard to understand? They don't want to have to deal with kids fantasizing or larping about killing their classmates or teachers given the problems with bullying, suicides, and school shootings. I remember that being a problem back when I was in school in the 2000s when everyone was making their own Death Note and writing kids and teachers names down in them. Apparently even series like Death Note is still popular in 2024 for kids to still be doing that and keep it banned in some school.
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turnsie
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:49 pm
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MyMasterMatthew wrote: |
I don't doubt that homophonia is the leading reason for banning Sasaki & Miyano, but I'm pretty sure the manga has some sexual moments. I don't remember if it's explicit, but I'm guessing not (it's been a while since I read it). Of course, I'd be shocked if the people calling for the book bans actually read the books they're campaigning against, so they probably didn't know this. |
It's right in the article that the reason why it was banned is because it depicts homosexuality. Anything else in the series that could be called into question for any reason is just a sidenote.
Quote: | The Brevard Public Schools Board in Florida banned the first volume of Shō Harusono's Sasaki and Miyano boys-love manga from the district's school libraries during a board meeting on August 27 earlier this year. A person in the district challenged the book's inclusion in the schools' libraries on the grounds that "sexual orientation should not be encouraged, suggested, or implanted" in the youth. The complaint also included concerns children would be "exposed to age-inappropriate, obscene, explicit content" and that there was "no value in making homosexual books available at school." The book is rated for T for Teens. |
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King Chicken
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:34 pm
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Kougeru wrote: | Nothing about this is "understandable" unless you only read the title of the manga. Even looking at the cover art should be enough to have had this situation laughed away - he's an ALIEN FROM SPACE. We're not allowed to have fiction about assassinating aliens from space now? Mind-boggling. Meanwhile Oklahoma is forcing Bibles into public schools - a book which has FAR worse content. This country is going backwards so much and will continue to for the foreseeable future. Unironically because over half the adults in the country are functionally illiterate ( reading is below sixth-grade level). |
It's not about violence per se, it's about imitable violence and themes. There's a reason it's the same series getting banned across the country every time this headline pops up in the news rather than it being whatever random violent series a kid is caught reading by their parents and got in trouble for. If I'm remembering correctly the first episode of Assassination Classroom alone involves some students bullying and taking advantage of the main character into agreeing to be a suicide bomber and blow himself up along with his teacher with a grenade. Assuming the same thing happens in the manga that alone would probably raise the red flags with parents and schools. So it's less about there being violence and more about what's possible for kids to either imitable or be influenced by. It's more likely for a kid to make a IED or even procure an actual grenade than it is to powerup into a Super Saiyan or Gear 5 and beat other people up into a bloody pulp like Goku, Luffy, or other shounen protagonists do. I assume whatever violence is in the Bible is also not as easily imitable no matter how many people God smites and kills.
In other words there's a reason Assassin Classroom is the one series that gets the most controversy and pulled from schools the most instead of other violence manga for kids; even if it's just the name alone suggesting people being killed in a classroom. It's why kids cartoons stopped showing realistic guns in them and switched to laser guns. Kids can get access to real guns. Laser guns are fictional so no one cares if the characters are firing lasers and stuff at each other.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:24 am
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Manga and anime will start having a real problem in America or at least in certain states if Project 2025 gets its core values approved. We might get some fascinating headlines in 2025+ and good luck getting some of those 17+ Image comics like Savage Dragon out of the door as its explicit sex and rape scenes easily violate the Pornography and anti-LGBT sections. Even One Piece couldn´t be published anymore, at least to anyone below 18, due to featuring gay characters or the trans Kikunojo in a key role. Her existence makes the whole work porn by the document´s definition. Get ready to provide a photo ID to use Mangaplus?
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SinisterOracle
Joined: 13 May 2023
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:49 am
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Yet another ignorant twat lacking in reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. I wish this timeline would somehow improve.
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XSp
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:50 am
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All going exactly as predicted in the Republic of Gilead.
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SinisterOracle
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:52 am
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MyMasterMatthew wrote: |
Ashen Phoenix wrote: | The objection to Sasaki & Miyano, on the other hand, is just straight-up homophobia and ignorance (but I doubt anyone was fooled into thinking otherwise). I was introduced to the anime, and after a 12-episode season, the most sexually explicit thing the main characters did was share a kiss and hold hands. I personally enjoy the series because of how carefully and thoughtfully it treats adolescents and the change from a platonic to a romantic relationship that two people can have.
Then again, the article even highlights how the parents are rallying against even acknowledging that anything other than heterosexuality exists. |
I don't doubt that homophonia is the leading reason for banning Sasaki & Miyano, but I'm pretty sure the manga has some sexual moments. I don't remember if it's explicit, but I'm guessing not (it's been a while since I read it). Of course, I'd be shocked if the people calling for the book bans actually read the books they're campaigning against, so they probably didn't know this. |
Unless I’m completely misremembering, Sasaki and Miyano does not have any sexually explicit content. Given and the L'étranger series do.
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SinisterOracle
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Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:53 am
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residentgrigo wrote: | Manga and anime will start having a real problem in America or at least in certain states if Project 2025 gets its core values approved. We might get some fascinating headlines in 2025+ and good luck getting some of those 17+ Image comics like Savage Dragon out of the door as its explicit sex and rape scenes easily violate the Pornography and anti-LGBT sections. Even One Piece couldn´t be published anymore, at least to anyone below 18, due to featuring gay characters or the trans Kikunojo in a key role. Her existence makes the whole work porn by the document´s definition. Get ready to provide a photo ID to use Mangaplus? |
Thank you for saying this. I’ve felt this was the coming future since I heard about Project 2025.
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