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Piglet the Grate
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If people stopped believing in the "death of the author" concept being anything other than the internally created fan fiction that it is, they would not end up being disappointed. As for yuri still being niche, that may just be anime reflecting the real world and not having a diversity agenda.
Love Live! is weird in that there are no speaking male characters seen other than two occasions where a boy says a hat looks like poop - almost every other anime has at least male persons in the background or in tertiary roles. As for yuri shipping, that is just wishful thinking since there is not a single girl-girl romantic date, much less a steady relationship in the whole franchise to date. As for a peaceful fandom, why care about that in the first place?
Most Manga Time Kirara adaptations avoid romance altogether, and it is again internal fan fiction to see yuri in them. There is such a thing as girls just being friends with each other. |
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Jabootu
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Raebo101 wrote
Luckily works of art are not held hostage to rather parochial political arguments that are going to look quite silly in a few years. The whole yuri-baiting thing is going to age about as well as the the idea that the EC horror comics of the 1950s were a threat to society. Would-be censors always lose in the long run. People will be watching Sound! Euphonium in twenty years, and fifty years, and in a hundred years, because it's a great piece of media. Like most things it will fall out of favor at times and fall back into it, but a show of this quality will last a long, long time.
A better argument, although in the end similarly futile, because K-On!! is the best KyoAni series. Nichijou is pretty great, though. |
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Xenobob
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One thing I love about this show (and it's equally true of the finale) is the attention to detail, in which a small detail tells a bigger story. Two quick examples from the post-credit scene in the finale:
1) The quick shot of Eupho-kun. Kumiko still has Eupho-kun, except instead of being attached to a school bag, he's now attached to the handle of a briefcase. If you take a close look, he has been lovingly stitched up three times. She has had him by this point for at least 6 1/2 years, and despite the fact that he is a cheap toy out of a vending machine, Kumiko still takes care to fix Eupho-kun any time he pops a stitch. 2) The flower hairpin. When Kumiko told Shuichi she needed to take a break until after the competition in third year and returned the hairpin to him, she gave him the choice of whether to give it back to her at that point. Clearly he did, and the fact that she displays it so prominently on her book, taking it with her wherever she goes, suggests that it is important to her, further suggesting that they are still together (although that's not conclusive). Last edited by Xenobob on Thu Jul 04, 2024 12:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jabootu
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Xenobob: Nice!
This sort of thing, of course, goes back at least as far as K-On! In the very first episode when we open on the photo of Yui and Nodoka in their middle school outfits, we get a ton of info. We know they graduated because the picture details them waving their diplomas in those roll-up leather cases. It also connotes Nodoka, who we meet later, to be a close, old friend. Meanwhile, Yui's new school uniform hangs on the wall. Ui comes in wearing the uniform that Yui wears in the picture, establishing her as a younger sister.... KyoAni does good work. |
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Uokel
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soTomoyo Kurosawa's tweet gave away an Easter egg. It appears the previous creators including those who died during the Kyoani arson attack were in the audience.
https://x.com/TomoyoKurosawa/status/1807328765447684211 https://x.com/rica0867/status/1807785894847627637 |
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UsagiLAN90
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I really hope Ayano Takeda will give us a very good explanation about the ending. If it really is an open "up to interpretation" ending then why is that damn hairpin there? Why are you making it look like Kumiko and Shuichi got together at literally the very last few seconds of the anime despite Shuichi not doing much for most part of the anime? KyoAni and Takeda's hatred for yuri is really showing here.
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Jabootu
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Kudos to SE3 being voted best show of the season by readers here. It's a richly deserved honor, the show is about as perfect as a piece of media can get.
It's amazing how blasé we are to the extraordinary resurrection of KyoAni after the atrocity that occurred there. Certainly it was not much discussed here, and that includes my comments as well. I never will let all that madman's victims leave my mind, yet it's inspiring to see a studio rise literally from the ashes like this. Some wounds can never be healed, but hopefully the loved ones of the victims (and the victims themselves, among those who survived) can find some measure of solace in the studio's resurrection. Let SE3 and KA's other works since then be loved and remembered in their names.
If it pleases Ayano Takeda to provide "an explanation," then fine. I hope she doesn't feel even a tiny bit of pressure to do so, though. No artist owes their audience a single thing past the work they present them. After that the audience is free to take it as they wish. However, they are in no position whatsoever to demand anything else, much less explanations. And who said the ending was "open to interpretation?" Reina and Kumiko were always presented as flirty, but straight. Being both of those things is not a stretch. I'd say it's open to interpretation whether Reina ever manages to convince Taki to marry her, but it's not open to interpretation that she'll end up with Kumiko. She won't. Shipping is always headcanon, and as such is fun and harmless. Reina / Kumiko shippers always had to ignore the fact that the girls were presented as straight, Reina strenuously so, and they are certainly free to continue doing so. It's laughable to assert that the actual show has to validate those ships, though. |
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UsagiLAN90
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Bruh, you could have just said you don't like Kumiko x Reina or yuri in general. I admit that I was a little harsh for both KyoAni and Takeda. But you seem to be very defensive and antagonistic against KumiRei and yuri shippers while never acknowledging KyoAni's yuribait tactics against them, with the girls having more interactions than their respective male love interests. Even if Kumiko and Reina are not canon lesbians or if they are "straight" as you love to put it, they will always be the most popular ship of the series. KyoAni knew full well just how popular Kumiko x Reina is, so they omitted the confession scene to not upset them and it made sense since Shuichi was barely relevant. Even Japanese fans are saying the ending is open for interpretation. It was the best thing they could do to satisfy both sides. Kumiko has Shuichi's hairpin (which she didn't even wear on her hair) but she also has a group photo of her and Reina holding hands and even spoke about her. Ayano Takeda herself also said before the finale that "anime is anime and novel is novel." So sadly for you, anything is still possible. Since you like telling yuri shippers to go read full yuri anime/manga, I wonder what you have to say about *gasp* Suletta and Miorine being a canon yuri couple despite their anime not being advertised as yuri. Sunrise/Gundam did something really monumental and groundbreaking, unlike KyoAni/Hibike. It showed that yuri does have a place in mainstream media, that it can be more than just yuribait, and it was even from a 45-year-old franchise that never touched upon yuri at all until that anime. I guess you have the same sentiment for Lycoris Recoil's Chisato x Takina as you have towards Kumiko x Reina. And I don't know if you've been following Ayano Takeda's Twitter lately but there was a recently tweet of her showing a yuri manga that she purchased. She has a series (that's getting an anime next year) that seems to be leaning towards yuri this time around. Seems that KyoAni's yuribaiting coupled with the unanimously-preferred Kumiko x Reina ship is getting onto her, possibly showing regrets of how she ended the novel. She could be planting seeds about the anime's future. And considering that SE anime will be 10 years old next year, I wouldn't be surprised if there will be one more film or anime project that focuses on Kumiko and Reina. |
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Jabootu
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UsagiLAN90 responded:
I could have. I also could have said I thought the world was flat. However, since neither statement comes close to anything I actually believe, I chose not to. I said shipping was fun, and I don't mind in the least people shipping those two, much less do I possess some sort of animus towards "yuri in general." So, no, I have no issue with garden variety shippers of any sort. More power to them. Neither am I being "defensive" at all. I admit hard text can leave the tone of someone's writing open for interpretation, but what would I be defensive about? Everything I said I think to be 100% true, and I stand firmly behind it. No defensiveness required. What I don't like is the gross, unearned sense of entitlement that drips off people doing things like demanding their headcanon be made actual, you know, canon, or that an artist owes them an explanation for not doing what they want. Or just ad hoc calling them haters of one stripe or another. If you can't articulate a position without theorizing what another person's motives might be, then you've already lost the debate. Accusing me (yawn) of not liking yuri in general is pretty much admitting you know you don't have a leg to stand on in terms of what I actually said. I appreciate the help, it's a nice gesture on your part. However, don't worry, I don't require such assistance. Even if KyoAni was actually filled with people who lusted after nothing more than trolling shippers--which obviously I think is patently ridiculous--so what? You still have no right to demand anything of them. If you really think that's true, which would say way more about you than about their highly humanistic and empathetic work, then stop reading or watching it. That's it. Problem solved. But here's the main point: They don't owe you anything. They don't owe me anything. Nobody does. That's the point, right there. Artists owe nothing to anyone except that they present their best work for those who choose to partake of it. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
Oh, for the love of God. Again, please explain from where you think you derive your right to demand these things, and stop labeling people or policing words. Enough side issues and dodges, please stick to the question at hand.
Obviously I think that's fine. Again, your attempts to questions what my motives might be instead of just responding to the clear text of what I've written proves you recognize that you've lost the argument. Oh, and it's not incumbent on KyoAni to be groundbreaking. If they wish to be, good for them. If they don't wish to be, equally good on them. They have no other responsibilities but to themselves. Are you following me here?
Yeah, no shit. Thanks for explaining that, Sherlock. Truly you are revealing the secrets of the universe unto the masses. Again, as I have in the past, I invite Reina / Kumiko shippers to continue shipping them. And no, I don't follow anyone's twitter because social media is driving people crazy. Still and all, if the author intends to make the two a couple, that's fine too. Anything the author wants to do is what should be done. I just hope, if that comes to pass, its not because she was getting bullied by people. |
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