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BluMeino
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[Edit: Saying nothing more than basically "Neener Neener Neener, I'm downloading fansubs" adds nothing to the discussion. If you're uninterested in discussing the topic then don't bother adding to the topic, all these one-liners and trolling is getting old. - Keonyn]
Do what Bandai Visual is with more timely releases dropping the dub. But also drop the Japanese price and then you'll have a sold product. And yes, I am going neener neener to an extent, but the waiting time is far too great now in the age of instantaneous gratification and fast internet speeds. Companies could easily stream their entire catalog maybe for a small monthly fee instead of per episode and this would attract more people, especially those put off by a show costing over $80. Or do this other idea I've heard about where you pay per episode, but it builds up in a credit fashion. With enough credit you can order DVDs. Sounds complex, but it could be interesting to see implemented. Last edited by BluMeino on Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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LiC
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I get and keep the fansubs because I think their translations are better than anything ADV does. It's like their not really trying to understand what's going on, just translate each scene/line at a time. And what's up with losing the Japanese pop culture references half the time? Yeesh! Just add a note to the dvd. The quality of the dubs aren't too hot either - I get that they want the text to match the mouth movements, but GEEZ.
If you're going to be in the industry, and translating/dubbing Japanese/foreign animes is a sub industry to 'the industry', then you'd damn well better know what you're doing because otherwise you're not respecting the original work. |
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Ryokosha
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Now, now both of those are the wrong messages to send. I think ADV had a point in what it did, if what they are saying is true, on the other hand, I am fearful of what this will do to anime sales in the UK... not to mention reputations over there...
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Cetus-kun
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I don't watch all that many fansubs to begin with and for the ones that I do watch I buy the official releases right when they come out. Often times the reason I won't purchase a title has more to do with price than that I've already seen the title as a fansub. Unless I must absolutely see a series now I'll just wait for a thinpak or boxset while the rest of my purchasing power goes to buying the titles I know I'm interested in. But maybe I'm not in the majority here.
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kokuryu
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As usual, rather than trying to fix their deficiencies, companies tend to look for scapegoats. As the first two have said (a) they dont want to wait 14 months for a release and (b) a lot of people find the fansub translations to be much more accurate than those of commercial releases. I think that if companies were to pay attention to what their potential customer base is saying, they could make headway into any market.
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Serge
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IMO ADV bring out too many crap or niche titles, they overlay credits (OP/ED) and don't even provide the original Japanese Credits in the Extras or at all, they put an average of 3 to 4 Episodes on a DVD which isn't enough.
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pknecron
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Nice to see all the excuses for why fansubs are OK. Oh, well, if you kill the industry with them it'll be your own fault. Illegal is illegal, nothing you can say will make a crime any less a crime.
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akumaotaku
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Exactly the main issue for example look at Trent Reznor, and what he did with the new album he released, gave online a free 9 track EP (Ghosts 1) and sell the rest with that (Ghosts 2-4) at a reasonable price online. He already made 750,000+$ In 1 day, just through 2500 Limited edition versions plus all the 5 dollar complete online download versions (DRM free). You honestly think RIAA would let him do that, No. ADV and the others realize the marketplace changed and you can't just depend only with sales based on DVDs or stick DRM through your digital versions if you sell them. |
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Richard J.
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Of course, this will eventually result in a rather drastic decline in anime production, not that they care. They only care about the "purity" of the anime. Can't get much purer than nonexistent. |
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Cetus-kun
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They actually were doing something like that with Gurren Lagann's sub streaming on Anime Network, but the service was down so often that by the time I did manage to get it to work I only was able to watch one of the episodes they put up before they took them down. If they had managed to get it working similar to Adult Swim Fix or Toonami Jetstream it probably would have been much more effective. Even when it was working it was constantly telling me I lived in Canada and blocking me out 
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10460 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Unfortunately "ok" or not doesn't really matter. Consumers are rarely governed by ethics. kokuryu has a point, ADV, and everyone in the market, need to focus on why their titles aren't selling as well as they should be. Of course, it's pretty stupid to think that they aren't doing that. It's just not going to happen over night due to the way the Japanese industry adapts to change (particularly foreign change). Unfortunately, the reasons don't matter to consumers either. The industry adapts, or it dies, and right now it's not adapting fast enough. Those of us who are "fans" as opposed to "consumers" should try to help the industry, because we want it to survive (by "the industry, I'm not referring to the adaptation industry, but rather to the entire anime industry the Japanese and foreign portions are now quite co-dependant). (Someone told me yesterday about a book titled 100 ways to say "no" in Japanese. ) [edit: I removed this after re-reading Lic's post because I misunderstood it first time, and I was disagreeing here with the exact oppositeofthe statement he made. I still stand by the next statement though -t]
-t Last edited by Tempest on Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:43 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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posterior_praiser
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Here we go again
Instead of playing the blame game, maybe ADV should look into ways market their product that are actually efficient instead of continuing the status quo, which clearly isnt working for them. |
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edzieba
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Or maybe it's because, I dunno, ADV UK drag their feet when bringing anything over here. What possible reason they could have for delaying months after the US release I don't know, but it can't possibly take that long to re-author a DVD (or rather, to badly re-encode the video and screw around with the menus) and change the region code.
Most of ADV UK's business probably went to ADV US, to avoid the delays and save money. As for streaming, that wasn't even available in the UK. |
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akumaotaku
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Also if i remember right ADV UK was slower then ADV US ex: a dvd could be released in the US but take a year + longer for the UK dvd (and the poster above me pointed that out right before i did lol) Last edited by akumaotaku on Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Hybridchild
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To be honest from what I've experienced of the Uk market the main problem it has isn't fansubs its R1 imports, yes there are people who won't buy anime if they can get it for free but alot of fans in the UK who do buy anime don't spend their money in the UK market.
Its plain fact that R1 prices are lower (that's not the fault of anime companies in fairness), it can take years for a title to reach the UK (Berserk and FLCL are only being released now for example) and there is always a risk of waiting for a release that never happens (i've been waiting for Megazone 23 since 2004). Some do prefer to support the local market or dont have access to a credit card but most of the fans in their early to mid twenties that have more disposable income which would be the core demographic that you need to appeal to in the anime market commonly buy the R1 versions thus weakening the market more. |
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