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cloud1989



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:07 pm Reply with quote
You are probably tired of hearing geneon related topics at this point but there is something I just have to ask. I remember when there was an article relating to anime on VUZE, I had a look and noticed the gun sword was available for rent via vuze. I have also notice that bandai visual is still selling dvds without a distributer via there website. My question is since there is many ways to sell dvd's with not actually needing a distributer why is geneon still holding out. The only thing they can't do is distribute dvd's, there licences are paid for and so are the dubs so I would think this would be better then just letting them sit there, or is there a paticular reason why they can't do this. Sorry if it has been asked, I don't come here all the time.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:24 pm Reply with quote
Well, they may yet set up something such as that. Currently though, no such system is set up for them. It might not be difficult but it would take at least some effort.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:49 pm Reply with quote
It is a valid point. However, even with all the ideas, of what everyone thought happened, good and bad, no one really knows 100% the whole story. So there may be some undisclosed reason why they wouldn't put forth such an effort.

You mentioned BV as an example. I would like to make another one. ImaginAsian DVDs are only available from two sources, both of them online. No doubt because that is a very easy and cheap way to do things. Hopefully, someday, Geneon will at the very least decide to do something similar. Even if they don't ever do anything new, it would be nice to have them make the shows they do have available.

Will that happen? Should that happen? Time will only tell.

Heck, I am still holding out that they will jump back in, very doubtful and naive as that is.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:28 am Reply with quote
The thing is, licensing is a complex beast, and digital distribution rights are a different arena than DVD/video rights. What I've heard is that the Japanese companies have traditionally been reluctant to give out those rights, and it's entirely possible Geneon didn't have them for most of their properties. And this technological reluctance isn't unique to the present day -- I've heard that getting the rights to distribute on DVD, as opposed to VHS, was an uphill battle back in the day. Partially because the Japanese companies wanted to classify DVDs as "software" and thus collect much higher royalty payments.
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cloud1989



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:54 am Reply with quote
I was about to bring up the possibility of digital licensing but you beat me to it. Anyways the whole idea of selling from the site and maybe finding a few select retailers to ship to( like rightstuf ) seems like a good idea. Apparently they are still trying to figure out what to do( I hope) and thats the reason for no actions right now. Digital licenses though sounds a bit ridiculous though, If American distributors are as important as Japaneses make them out to be I would think they would be easy on them and allow them some room for potential profit.
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marie-antoinette



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:33 am Reply with quote
cloud1989 wrote:
If American distributors are as important as Japaneses make them out to be I would think they would be easy on them and allow them some room for potential profit.


But the Japanese companies also do not want to be competing against their own American distributors, which is what may happen if downloads are allowed. With DVDs, region-coding prevents this, but a download cannot be contained within a certain region of the world and thus people in Japan could bypass the Japanese company and just download from the American one (which would be even worse for the industry as a whole, since the producers of the anime are the ones that need money most to keep anime coming out).
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:37 am Reply with quote
marie-antoinette wrote:
With DVDs, region-coding prevents this, but a download cannot be contained within a certain region of the world and thus people in Japan could bypass the Japanese company and just download from the American one (which would be even worse for the industry as a whole, since the producers of the anime are the ones that need money most to keep anime coming out).


Is this true? I recall hearing on several occasions that various services (I think Yahoo Japan was one) has had anime on thier pages which could only be viewed if you had a Japanese ISP. I assume the opposite is possible.
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cloud1989



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:53 pm Reply with quote
I am fairly certain though that bypassing region encoding is a lot easier then getting content from a site when your not supose to.
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marie-antoinette



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:42 pm Reply with quote
Once there is a digital copy out there, I'm sure it would be next to impossible to control who had it and who would break any locks that were put on it. Yes, you can get past DVD coding, but it's probably more trouble than it's worth most of the time, which I'm guessing is one of the main reasons DVD coding exists.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:41 pm Reply with quote
It's not difficult. You simply use something like VLC if you are on a PC, or a multi-region player if not.

If you have the money to buy lots of anime, chances are you have a PC capable of running VLC. (Besides, if the point is comparing the difficulty with reverse-importing digital downloads, then the point about having or not having PCs is moot).
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