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hinugundam
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:35 pm
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In JoJo’s bizzare adventure Guido Mista is superstitious about the number four being bad luck. So much so that it affects the appearance of his stand, Sex Pistols. Sex Pistols consists of six small stands with a printed number on their heads, but they are numbered 1-3 and 5-7.
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Shiflan
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:54 pm
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I'm quite curious about how/if the fear of "13" exists in Japan.
The superstitions around the numbers 4 and 9 make sense like Justin explained. (I was taught the same thing when I studied Japanese in college). However I don't know the background for 13 in Japanese culture. Is it something that came in from the west (13 is typically shunned because of The Last Supper)? Or does it come from 4 + 9 = 13? Or something else entirely?
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belvadeer
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:30 pm
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So does that mean having max stats in most RPGs means you went through a lot of suffering (long hours of grinding) to hit Level 99 and have 9999 HP and 999 MP?
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Zin5ki
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:47 pm
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| Quote: | | Seven is also supposedly the largest number of items that a human brain can easily identify visually without having to count them. |
Surely the identification of a full eight items is easily within our capacity though! The fighting game community's choice of instrument demonstrates this, I think.
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Mhora
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:03 pm
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| Shiflan wrote: | | I'm quite curious about how/if the fear of "13" exists in Japan.
The superstitions around the numbers 4 and 9 make sense like Justin explained. (I was taught the same thing when I studied Japanese in college). However I don't know the background for 13 in Japanese culture. Is it something that came in from the west (13 is typically shunned because of The Last Supper)? Or does it come from 4 + 9 = 13? Or something else entirely? |
It's probably taken from western culture. Friday 13th, the 13th floor, Last Supper, etc. Pretty wide-spread.
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ICO44
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:36 pm
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I guess it was 9S destiny to suffer
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Alan45
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:48 pm
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| Zin5ki wrote: |
| Quote: | | Seven is also supposedly the largest number of items that a human brain can easily identify visually without having to count them. |
Surely the identification of a full eight items is easily within our capacity though! The fighting game community's choice of instrument demonstrates this, I think. |
While this varies from person to person, my understanding is that people tend to perceive eight as two groups of four.
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Polycell
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:10 pm
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| belvadeer wrote: | | So does that mean having max stats in most RPGs means you went through a lot of suffering (long hours of grinding) to hit Level 99 and have 9999 HP and 999 MP? |
I'd imagine this has more to do with the fact that older programs liked to keep numbers in binary-coded decimal format(meaning each byte represents two separate digits). It also neatly fits the allotted space without any waste, giving 10^x - 1 a certain visual appeal 2^x -1 can never have.
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Shiflan
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:44 pm
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| Polycell wrote: |
| belvadeer wrote: | | So does that mean having max stats in most RPGs means you went through a lot of suffering (long hours of grinding) to hit Level 99 and have 9999 HP and 999 MP? |
I'd imagine this has more to do with the fact that older programs liked to keep numbers in binary-coded decimal format(meaning each byte represents two separate digits). It also neatly fits the allotted space without any waste, giving 10^x - 1 a certain visual appeal 2^x -1 can never have. |
I assumed belvadeer was making a joke.
The numerical values a variable in a computer program can store vary by powers of two. Those do not have a jump at 9999 or 999. You go: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024.....8192, 16384.... In practice though you have a big jump from a byte (0...255) to an Integer (0..65,534). In most games a PC's HP and MP would be stored as integers, typically having a range of 0 to 65584. The limits at 999 or 9999 are entirely aribtrary and set by the programmers. The most likely reason is screen space (resolution), especially dating back to the 8-bit era.
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belvadeer
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:10 pm
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| Shiflan wrote: | | I assumed belvadeer was making a joke.
The numerical values a variable in a computer program can store vary by powers of two. Those do not have a jump at 9999 or 999. You go: 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024.....8192, 16384.... In practice though you have a big jump from a byte (0...255) to an Integer (0..65,534). In most games a PC's HP and MP would be stored as integers, typically having a range of 0 to 65584. The limits at 999 or 9999 are entirely aribtrary and set by the programmers. The most likely reason is screen space (resolution), especially dating back to the 8-bit era. |
I was indeed making a joke based on the information in the article regarding the number 9 and suffering, though your informative post is good to know about too.
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Gemnist
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:43 pm
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Suddenly the nickname "Nines" became a whole lot deeper...
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CaptainAvatar
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:47 pm
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| Quote: | | Generally, if you see the numbers 4 or 7 come up in a conspicuous way, I would look a little closer to try and analyze if there's any nod to those numbers' alternate meanings. |
Oh great! My birthday is 4/7
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Nodz
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 4:32 pm
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| Quote: | | I know that both 4 and 9 are considered "unlucky" in Japan because in Japanese. |
Something's missing in the question.
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MaxTurtle
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:30 pm
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Seems like the name of Major's protagonist "Goro Shigeno" wasn't randomly chosen.
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Errinundra
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:56 pm
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I work for a health insurance company and once got a call from a new member who requested we change his member # as it had multiple 4s in it. As he pointed out to me - having something resembling the symbol for death on a health insurance policy was most inauspicious. We happily gave him a new number without any 4s.
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