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INTEREST: Fans, Creators Applaud Animation of Fate/Apocrypha's 22nd Episode

This episode made change my opinion of Karna (because of FGO, I know him little) and made want even more a Atlanta, so yes, the content yes, very good, the message was recived.

It's A-1. They do good work.

Calsolum wrote:

um what?

Some people are color blind and can't tell the difference between red and green even though red is red and green is green and anybody who isn't color blind would never confuse those two colors in a million years. Some people are animation blind and simply cannot recognize good animation no matter how amazing it is.

Fun fact: if you touch you nose to the TV while this is playing, you're literally someone who can't recognize good animation even if it hit them in the face.

Either I defend my poorly worded statement, or I acknowledge my shortcomings... I choose the latter to be more productive and less snob-ish.

I am not saying much from a technical standpoint, but this fight felt like any other generic shounen fight scenes where characters show off their overpowered/overexaggerated ability for aesthetic purpose, which is to say, not very interesting.

For people in the craft, "difficult" is the same as "good." You have to be good to do something difficult, so the large amount of motion is impressive to animators.

rather than an animator circle-jerk, "difficult" just means "expensive."

"Good" is a matter of "Did it actually help the storytelling, or did it muddle it?" To those of us who enjoy the (sometimes overly) technical presentation of the story of the fights that this show has been doing, it's like a bunch of artists showed up to ejaculate all over the screen and then congratulate themselves on a job well done without caring about whether what they put on the screen actually communicates the fiction.

Did "a lot of things were moving" actually make a compelling tale, as it blurred the hot sexy characters and their well-defined fights into a fancy mush?
For a lot of people (myself included), the answer was no. And we're left wondering "if this is 'good,' then what's the point? What does 'good animation' really get us when we show up for the stories, not the movement?" This isn't Mob Psycho, this is the "100 words where 6 would do" Fate Universe, and it just didn't feel like it fit.

I think it's a little depressing that while industry people, professional animators, teachers, and leaders all throughout this creative industry, are praising this episode as a masterpiece... this thread is full of people who have no idea what the principles of animation even are, ...

and who think static art is more important than movement, claiming it's a bad looking episode and positioning this as fact!

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but when you have professionals unanimously praising this episode that you think is garbage, maybe you should phrase your opinion with a little more open-mindedness and humility.

I have always been confused why condescension, and literally trash-talking artists, so often accompanies these discussions.

Okay, you don't like it, how about, rather than attacking creatives, you make an effort to understand why they think it's so impressive. They certainly have experience that you don't, so maybe their opinion has some value.

So I cant speak for anyone else and while i think there are some people who know quite a bit about animation here, at least a lot more than me the 'principles of animation' is completely above my head and hey it might be above the heads of a few other people here. But you know what I do know? I know entertainment and satisfaction. I know what I like and what keeps me happy and this episode had a few things that did not do that. And clearly there are some other people who felt the same.

To give an extreme example what if an animator had decided to meticulously put a lot of hard work, time and money into some dude taking a shit. It can be an amazing rendition of a turd working its way out using alot of fancy special effects and stuff but at the end of the credits it was just a dude taking a shit. could you still applaud the animation?

Again as i am simply replying to a general statement so this may or may not be relevant but: I believe I was quite open-minded when I started posted. I said that the episode as a whole looked bad and I asked for someone to explain why I was wrong

great animation is no excuse for its jarring contrast in artistic imagery because then you're ignoring an unfavourable aspect of the episode for another part and I think that's an even greater disservice to the people who worked on this whos result should be judged equally.