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TarsTarkas
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As a poster mentioned earlier, he didn't want to go to the trouble of separating the 500 plus CD cases to their respective recyclable bins. So he decided to decorate the mountain side with jeweled CD cases.
Nothing brings out the Japan bashers like good old Idol news.
yeah, like we are any different...... A fan wants his favorite idol to win, so he buys their CD's to increase his voting chances. It is not illegal, it is not morally wrong, or even ethically wrong. American fans and Japanese fans are all the same, they just get excited by different things. Cry and wail over Japanese Idols if you want too, but don't forget about the 'two by four' in your own eyes also, like Hollywood and the Music Industry. |
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Hoppy800
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That practice has to cease for the environment's sake, or better yet offer a disposal and recycling service for the CDs in which said practice can coexist with our environment.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Calling out issues surrounding a particular fandom/industry is not the same thing as Japan bashing.
By most people's morality and ethics, if there's an election of any kind going on, one person gets one vote, and people spending money to have more say than others is not okay.
No, there is a difference. Hollywood and the American music industry are all kinds of screwed up themselves, but the idol industry is screwed up to a much greater degree. |
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Jonny Mendes
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If something like the last Hollywood scandal happened in Japan, the consequences would be different. -The producer would be fired and prosecuted. -The idol agency would be closed and any people evolved in that agency would never again get a job in the industry. -All individual idols and idol groups from that agency would be removed from the idol industry because they maybe be not "pure" anymore. Japanese fan take purity to extreme levels and all those paparazi and idol magazines make sure that any deviation be know to the public. Of course that always will be the a dark side and sometimes scandals are know, mostly from small agencies, but the consequences are so extreme that most people evolved in the industry avoid certain behaviors. After all lots of money from the idol fans is too much to be ignored. |
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FenixFiesta
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Someone from Japan side that is a bit more informed on legal code that could explain WHY this lottery format continues on.
Little doubt it all comes about to moving money from hand to hand, CD production companies get money, delivery services getting money, etc., the problem in the long run of course is that in the end it is a bunch of gears spinning to produce nothing but a mountain of wasted CDs. |
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Chrono1000
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Compelled to Reply
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Incinerating unrecyclable trash via waste-to-energy is what civilized countries do. In major Japanese cities, waste management is state of the art, light years ahead compared to Western counterparts. However, the grey countryside lags quite behind, to such a considerable degree that Japan's recycling rate is skewed lower than the United States, Germany, and even polluting countries like South Korea.
Recycling exists, but you'd really look like a fool with hundreds of the same CD.
Even despite its size, the idol entertainment industry is still a niche in Japan. While the average citizen probably has heard of AKB48 or Morning Musume, that's about it. |
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Shiflan
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I think so. There are tons of things he could have done with them instead of dumping them: -sell them, either through used goods shops or online (Yahoo auctions, for example) -give them away to other fans -trade them to fans for other AKB48 merch -donate them to charity There are plenty of legal, non-wasteful methods of getting rid of those CDs. And even if he wanted to throw them away he could have done so legally, via a recyling center or by sorting the components and putting them in the trash. The only problem here is that the guy dumped them illegally when he had many other options for disposal.
That already exists. He just didn't do that and chose to dump illegal instead.
How so? It is extremely common for large numbers of the same product to be recycled or thrown away all at once. It happens all the time in the business world: people end up with overstock of product they cannot sell. Products get produced that ended up being unsalable because of some kind of error. A friend of mine used to work for a company which made marketing products like pens, keychains, bottle openers, etc, that had company logos on them. They would often have a situation where the products were made in the wrong color, or the wrong or crooked logo, a spelling mistake, etc. Those goods were scrapped en masse. Nobody thinks anything of it. |
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HeeroTX
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Witness American fans of American Idol: https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2002-08-16-american-idol_x.htm https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/is-american-idol-voting-all-phoney-1693487.html Most Japanese idols are between 14 and 20. (yes, they have some that go younger and a rare few that go older, but that range is the "norm") Brittany Spears was 17 when this went out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4 Taylor Swift started at 16. Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus both started even younger than that. We haven't had a 50 member group, but we have our own "idol" system over here. |
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Shiflan
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Good point. And what's also very important is that this whole "idol" business is all about entertainment. Someone might call it an "election" but really it's just a different kind of promotion. It's not an election in a political sense where there is an actual legal position and responsibility to the public involved. It's all just showbiz. It's meant to get fans excited about their favorite Idol/artist/musician/character/etc and spend more money. One person one vote makes perfect sense for public office or legal matters. But that has nothing to do with a meaningless "election" in the context of showbiz. |
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TarsTarkas
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It is when you pretend we are better than them.
It is not that kind of an election. As someone else mentioned, it is more of a promotion.
Its funny you actually believe that, while Hollywood is melting down over the Harvey Weinstein scandal. And the list of his victims are ever growing. |
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Lord Oink
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C'mon, Harvey Weinstein is small time compared to the evil and corrupt idol industry ![]() Seriously though, seeing people say Hollywood is less problematic than a Japanese industry aimed at nerds is one of the most hilarious cases of cognitive dissonance I've seen. Corruption dating back to early 1900s? Childs play compared to preying on nerds who buy 500 copies of a CD for his idol waifu. |
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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If his misdeeds were exposed. Given the competition to become an idol, societal pressure around not rocking the boat, and general amorality of producers in the entertainment field, there is little doubt in my mind that the casting couch exists, and aforementioned factors - particularly so much money and so many jobs riding on it - sees to it that no-one talks about it.
Which I'm not. Saying things are worse there in this specific way, sure, but not a worse place in every way or even on balance.
Regardless, if it's presented as being representative of how popular it is with the audience, it's a bit dodgy. Not nearly as much as, say, electing a president, but still a bit.
See above. I have little doubt that there's a bunch of Japanese Harvey Weinstein-likes; it's just that the idol industry has managed to keep a tighter lid on it so far. Hollywood at least doesn't have the obsession with purity requiring all their talent to forgo love lives. |
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harminia
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He should've got them used for paving roads, like has been done with other cds
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Compelled to Reply
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Yes, but the perp is clearly a kook who lacks the mental capacity to think about it.
Funny, I remember a ridiculous ANIME NOW! article linked here talking about the undesirable aspects of the idol industry as if they're exclusive to Japan culturally, even stretching it as far as referencing The Tale of Genji. They're called "idols," meaning people to look up to, for a reason. As the core demographic is and always has been preteen girls, contrary to the obsessed basement dweller stereotype, you want idols to be free from scandals. Compare it to everybody Disney excreted, from Britney Spears to Miley Cyrus. |
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