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CatSword
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 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:49 pm
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Inagaki appears to have been misled. Neither Viz nor Sentai have rated Eyeshield 21 as 18+. Though Viz did tone down the swearing in the manga despite it being 16+.
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Aquamine-Amarine
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:57 pm
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Manga ratings in North America have always been weird. Look up anything that ran in Nakayoshi that has been licensed in North America, and most of them are all going to be rated T, despite the fact that they ran in a magazine aimed at little girls.
| Quote: | | Date responded that the age rating is due to the status of America as a "gun society." |
You say that like it's a bad thing. How about you sit down and look up the definition of "inanimate object".
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AnimeLordLuis
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:13 pm
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I remember back in the good old days (90s and before) when people (Americans) had common sense and guns were not public enemy number 1. Hell guns where even in children's cartoons and were in fact used as comic relief. But now a days with so many ignorant people (parents mostly) threatening to sue if they see so much as a single bullet in a PG-13 movie common sense about guns in America has plummeted. 
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FLCLGainax
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:28 pm
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Could be worse. Viz used to edit guns in the Dragon Ball manga (Z specifically).
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:07 pm
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I love Eyeshield 21, but really, if anything was gonna get the "mature" rating on it, I would've assumed it'd be the casual racism rather than the proliferation of guns.
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Minos_Kurumada
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:08 pm
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They should just edit the Manga so instead of guns, Hiruma call them donuts.
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Kruszer
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:14 pm
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They may think of it as a "gag" in a society where firearms are banned and harder to get a hold of, but here it is much more likely where they are available at your nearest sporting goods store and kids getting their hands on one is easy if they have careless parents. If the rating for that series I don't read is jacked up just for that, that's over-reactionary bullshit though.
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stefand
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:27 pm
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In Japan a guy randomly shooting firearms in school is as realistic as someone shooting beams from his eyes, so nobody gives a damn, Similar in Europe, where they are for sure in most countries more gun critic as in USA.
Strangely enough the freedom and availability (and the occassional occurences of someone actually shooting fireams in school) leads to a very tense relation towards guns in some context.
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FireballDragon
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:42 pm
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| Minos_Kurumada wrote: | | They should just edit the Manga so instead of guns, Hiruma call them donuts. |
No, they should edit the guns so that they look like Super Soakers.
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Zerreth
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:27 pm
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| FireballDragon wrote: |
| Minos_Kurumada wrote: | | They should just edit the Manga so instead of guns, Hiruma call them donuts. |
No, they should edit the guns so that they look like Super Soakers. |
AGGRESSIVE POINTING
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Yuza
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:54 pm
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| HeeroTX wrote: | | I love Eyeshield 21, but really, if anything was gonna get the "mature" rating on it, I would've assumed it'd be the casual racism rather than the proliferation of guns. |
Yeah! This has always bothered me since I rarely see it brought up as a criticism. Hajime no Ippo had a similar relationship with black characters with essentially the same character as Panther, talking about "black muscles" and their genetic advantages over Japanese, but at least that was from the 80s. Eyeshield 21 is a lot more recent but Japan's homogeneous society seems to breed the same ignorance, and they seem to have a stock black character which is a bit patronizing (like when an old magic negro shows up in Hollywood films). They've latched onto the idea of the physically weaker Japanese underdog competing with the rest of the world, and black people are like the final boss.
It's funny how they've assumed it was the guns, though I do think Hiruma's character as a whole may be part of it.
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FireballDragon
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:53 pm
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| Zerreth wrote: |
| FireballDragon wrote: |
| Minos_Kurumada wrote: | | They should just edit the Manga so instead of guns, Hiruma call them donuts. |
No, they should edit the guns so that they look like Super Soakers. |
AGGRESSIVE POINTING |
Speaking of pointing, maybe they should've just made it so that Hiruma points all the time with his "invisible guns."
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Top Gun
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:31 pm
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| AnimeLordLuis wrote: | I remember back in the good old days (90s and before) when people (Americans) had common sense and guns were not public enemy number 1. Hell guns where even in children's cartoons and were in fact used as comic relief. But now a days with so many ignorant people (parents mostly) threatening to sue if they see so much as a single bullet in a PG-13 movie common sense about guns in America has plummeted. |
This is very much untrue. The creative staff of Batman: The Animated Series went on record talking about how standards & practices severely limited how they could portray gun use, and how they occasionally managed to sneak something by and show a character pointing a gun straight at the screen. Old Looney Tunes shorts are one thing, but gun depictions have been a touchy subject for a long time.
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AnimeLordLuis
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:31 pm
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| Top Gun wrote: |
| AnimeLordLuis wrote: | I remember back in the good old days (90s and before) when people (Americans) had common sense and guns were not public enemy number 1. Hell guns where even in children's cartoons and were in fact used as comic relief. But now a days with so many ignorant people (parents mostly) threatening to sue if they see so much as a single bullet in a PG-13 movie common sense about guns in America has plummeted. |
This is very much untrue. The creative staff of Batman: The Animated Series went on record talking about how standards & practices severely limited how they could portray gun use, and how they occasionally managed to sneak something by and show a character pointing a gun straight at the screen. Old Looney Tunes shorts are one thing, but gun depictions have been a touchy subject for a long time. |
I was mostly referring to comedic cartoons like Dark Wing Duck or Tail Spin and pretty much every other Disney cartoon series from the 90s. Hell back then Disney could get away with anything short of murder. 
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Banken
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:26 am
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| Aquamine-Amarine wrote: | |
You say that like it's a bad thing. How about you sit down and look up the definition of "inanimate object". |
Gun culture is a huge problem in America.
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