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Engineering Nerd
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:03 pm
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Yeah, pretty sad that no second season is being made. I mean, even the BD sales are awesome!!
PS: Come to think of it, Attack on Titan and Devil both aired in spring 2013. Seeing how badly Shingeki did sales wise, I kinda worry about its sales performance even if second season is greenlit.
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relyat08
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:05 pm
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Did this actually answer anything at all? lol
The show sold very well, so saying "anime is a business" makes little sense. Sure, there may be drama or something else in the background, but that just goes back to my first sentence. This explained literally nothing at all.
The only thing I could think of was the publisher not wanting more, but they aren't even on the Production Committee, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Megiddo
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:14 pm
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Quote: | The Devil is a Part-Timer! Novel Creator Explains Why Anime Has No 2nd Season |
This is awful. The correct headline should be "The Devil is a Part-Timer! Novel Creator Explains Why Fans Should Stop Asking Him About a Second Anime Season".
If the headline of an article states that there is an explanation of something then I expect an explanation of that thing in the article. Terrible journalism ANN. You know better.
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SilverTalon01
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:23 pm
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The Konosuba author basically said the same thing. Plenty of LN based series with really high sales don't get more anime seasons. Certainly sucks... I'd love to see more Index, Konosuba, etc.
relyat08 wrote: | The show sold very well, so saying "anime is a business" makes little sense. |
Yeah it did, but they have to weigh that against doing something else instead. The business just revolves more around finding the next big hit. Even if the publisher wasn't on the production committee, they are definitely going to be taking a cut of the profits. Now that the series is successful, they would probably want more. Why do that when you can just fish for another big hit...
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TheOtakuX
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:28 pm
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It's a shame, but at least the novels are getting released in English. I just finished the second this weekend, since it'd been so long since I saw the anime, and I'm starting the third soon, once I finish the first Konosuba novel.
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relyat08
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:49 pm
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SilverTalon01 wrote: |
relyat08 wrote: | The show sold very well, so saying "anime is a business" makes little sense. |
Yeah it did, but they have to weigh that against doing something else instead. The business just revolves more around finding the next big hit. Even if the publisher wasn't on the production committee, they are definitely going to be taking a cut of the profits. Now that the series is successful, they would probably want more. Why do that when you can just fish for another big hit... |
I'm confused by your thought process.
Lets see, make more of a proven commodity? Or search for something untested that has a greater chance of failing than being successful? Hmm... I think most would say going with that proven money maker makes more sense. Naturally, I realize Anime doesn't make much sense in a lot of regards, but I'm not sure I follow what you are saying at all.
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ultimatehaki
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:50 pm
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This didn't answer a damn thing. All it said is what we already know, the author has no control on an anime being made. That's not an explanation, truthfully its totally irrelevant.
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XerneasYveltal
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:51 pm
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This basically means that we have to give the source material some attention as well.
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ultimatehaki
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:03 pm
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relyat08 wrote: |
SilverTalon01 wrote: |
relyat08 wrote: | The show sold very well, so saying "anime is a business" makes little sense. |
Yeah it did, but they have to weigh that against doing something else instead. The business just revolves more around finding the next big hit. Even if the publisher wasn't on the production committee, they are definitely going to be taking a cut of the profits. Now that the series is successful, they would probably want more. Why do that when you can just fish for another big hit... |
I'm confused by your thought process.
Lets see, make more of a proven commodity? Or search for something untested that has a greater chance of failing than being successful? Hmm... I think most would say going with that proven money maker makes more sense. Naturally, I realize Anime doesn't make much sense in a lot of regards, but I'm not sure I follow what you are saying at all. |
Yeah ST, your reasoning goes against the heavy hitters of anime like OP, DBZ and Detective Conan. They milking those and plenty others hard.
@relyat as we both know anime is nothing but a glorified advertisement most of the time so they probably reason it would be less costly to make a single season and get a small profit from BD sales while boosting LN sales and that will get them more money in the long run.
But for every one good show a studio does 10 will probably bomb so I don't see why they wouldn't put out multiple seasons of a good selling show to keep a steady income flowing in. For the production committee to since they do get the biggest cuts.
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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:16 pm
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4 years after the show ended I have given up hope that a sequel series to the Devil is a Part-Timer will ever be made. It is a shame because they show is fun, and it sold a lot of discs in Japan. Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun also sold well, but no sequel either. I sometimes don't get how anime productions work.
And someone should have edited this article. It reads like Google Chrome translator.
Engineering Nerd wrote: | PS: Come to think of it, Attack on Titan and Devil both aired in spring 2013. Seeing how badly Shingeki did sales wise, I kinda worry about its sales performance even if second season is greenlit. |
If a new series of the Devil was miraculously made, I doubt it would average more than 2.5k. The time to keep cashing in with a second season was 2 years ago.
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SilverTalon01
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:29 pm
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ultimatehaki wrote: | Yeah ST, your reasoning goes against the heavy hitters of anime like OP, DBZ and Detective Conan. They milking those and plenty others hard. |
Completely different degree of profitability there. Even at like 10k copies per disc, you're not talking shit loads of profit just from discs. Those properties you mentioned don't actually sell that many discs by the way.
relyat08 wrote: | Lets see, make more of a proven commodity? Or search for something untested that has a greater chance of failing than being successful? Hmm... I think most would say going with that proven money maker makes more sense. Naturally, I realize Anime doesn't make much sense in a lot of regards, but I'm not sure I follow what you are saying at all. |
No, you and them would just be missing the big picture. You are completely ignoring opportunity cost. A project being profitable does not necessarily mean a company should invest in that project. That isn't how business works.
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mangamuscle
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:31 pm
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ultimatehaki wrote: | But for every one good show a studio does 10 will probably bomb so I don't see why they wouldn't put out multiple seasons of a good selling show to keep a steady income flowing in. For the production committee to since they do get the biggest cuts. |
Because as you said earlier, the reason they produce anime in the first place is to advertise, light novels in this case (revenue from disc sales goes mostly towards producing more anime). Every year there are many new novels with enough written material to make a one cour series in the hope that sales increase exponentially. Of course, they could do more seasons of already successful series, but it is a proven fact that second seasons sell less than first seasons since the novelty factor has worn off. Also, the more time you place between seasons, the more people "forget" about it, look at the appalling numbers of the second season of The Blue Exorcist. Of course there are exceptions, but in a country proud for making someone responsible for every failure, not many executives are going to propose a second season, unless of course negotiations for another adaption break apart and they need to produce something fast.
I am of course eager of seeing more seasons of my favorite anime, but in the words of Mikasa Ackerman "The world is a cruel place".
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:44 pm
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as mentioned in a similar topic, once the sales have been pushed to a certain level, the publisher has no reason to think sales will increase even more.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:40 pm
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relyat08 wrote: | Lets see, make more of a proven commodity? Or search for something untested that has a greater chance of failing than being successful? Hmm... I think most would say going with that proven money maker makes more sense. |
I completely agree with you and I have argued the same with Dengeki Bunko and their inability to produce season 3 of Index and/or Railgun.
My guess is that some execs want to see more money made via book sales rather than anime disc sales. So they keep trying to get their smaller series more exposure via anime adaptation rather than continue adapting a popular series.
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Saku-dono
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:48 pm
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So basically, what Wagahara-sensei wants to say is the makers wants to make a Season 2, but the royalties he demands can't be given to him since makers wants to monopolize the profits.
Okay, too bad.
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