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NEWS: 2nd Japanese TV Station Removes Nymphet from Schedule

Now I'm overhearing statements like "Dude I'd bang the hell out of Chiyo-chan!" in the convention halls and I can believe that people have started saying that things have gotten out of hand.

Do you not believe that any position is ever objectively wrong? Why does me having a strong stance on abortion automatically invalidate everything else I've ever said?

The problem is that there's been a continuing trend away from sexy WOMEN and towards sexy GIRLS. I recall that for a time folks were saying that it was weird so many guys thought Rei Ayanami was sexy, because she was just 15. Then I recall people wondering why there was so much hentai fanart of Ruri and Sasami.

Can anyone here who enjoys the 'Nymphette' style of child-sexualization [....] point to any other country on earth besides Japan that produces commercial material in such a light?

Zac, you're obviously offended by the material, but can't you at least admit the possibility that the creator only intended it as absurdist humor?

Creators can't be held responsible for unintended side effects of their material, and neither can the material for that matter.

I guess my point here is that you shoudn't really call Knj lolicon or pornographic unless you can prove that it's meant to be that way. Believe it or not Zac, but some people (myself included) were amused by it, not aroused. The material is edgy (for americans at least), but in the end it just depends on your sense of humor.

I sat here for a good 20 seconds trying to think of other television programs, novels, anything that was like this and produced outside of Japan.

Then I realized that, if you'll permit it, fanfics, H-doujinshi, etc. are fair game. And in that case, I'd have to answer yes. As another poster has just made clear, we've seen Western lolikons("child sexualizers," to use your preference?) producing their own fanart and putting it up on DeviantArt, 4chan, etc. for years now. There has also been (for as long as I can remember) fanfics that involve children --

ultrapostman wrote:

Zac, you're obviously offended by the material, but can't you at least admit the possibility that the creator only intended it as absurdist humor?

Of course one could admit the possibility. One could also stipulate, "But it's so unlikely given the situation." For the author to continue to produce more KnJ chapters despite knowing (as she must know) that it is a smash hit amongst lolikon circles would be analogous to a gun manufacturer continuing to make guns despite knowing they're being scooped up by people she finds distasteful. Most people, in that position, would quit producing the guns/chapters of KnJ. Considering that she hasn't, she either ...
a) supports the lolikons, or
b) regrets that lolikons are enjoying her product but will continue to make it for the non-lolikons who are also enjoying it

I really, really, really doubt it's B.

That's just it, though. "Unintended"? Who do you think you're kidding? KnJ's loli appeal is about as unintended as Dead or Alive's buxom breast appeal is. Or are you going to tell me that Tomonobu Itagaki had no idea that his fighters' selling point was their sex appeal?

That you were not aroused by it does not mean that you were not supposed to be aroused by it; just as you've been arguing that being aroused by it does not mean one ought to be. Let's avoid tripping over our own arguments if we can -- or at least recognize a double-edged sword when we see one.

That first sentence really got me. You don't understand my position do you? Let me explain: I said that we can't know if KNJ is meant to be pornographic or not, so there's no basis for assumption one way or the other. Tripping over my own arguements? This entire debate is built on smoke, how can I trip over that?

Or, you know, someone could actually just look at the material and see the incredibly obvious over-the-top sexuality of it, see how obviously the little girls are offered up as sex objects, see how tastelessly the material is presented and how completely exploitative the entire work is and make a judgment call based on that.

But no, you're right! This is just a totally innocent comedy!

Who has called it "innocent"? I don't remember hearing that.

I like how you did that. I wonder what came before? Or maybe after.

Is that any worse than a hundred year old vampire sitting in a bathtub licking blood of a ten year old boy as he says :Oh master it hurts. And then her laughing as his junk shrinks?

Be honest.

That's what the insinuation is in the "Kodomo no Jikan does not and was not designed to appeal to lolicons, the material is completely benign and is not supposed to titillate" argument.

I think Kojika is in similar circumstances, and I think it seems worse here because we _do_ have slightly different values and sensitivities in our culture and pedophilia is one of them.

Just because it has sexual humor doesn't mean it's for pedophiles.

Since it seems that the current dominant theme of the pedo-collective.... is that 'the US is just uptight', I'll reiterate: can anyone else point to a culture outside of Japan that's (commercially) swinging to the pre-puberty sexy groove?

(Hey, pedophilia is a cultural sensitivity now!)

I'll also play broken record, and rebut to this point that general Japanese society isn't delighted with pedo content

Defending pedo themed material seems like an instant no winner, whats the big rallying point here for pedo fans?

But no, you're right! This is just a totally innocent comedy!

This is where I'm still skeptical though. Without a doubt thats just dripping with sexual innuendo and suggestivity. However if it truely is meant to be comedic, wouldn't that be the point? To make it as outrageously sexual as possible? Its definitely not innocent (meaning not suggestive) but just becuase its suggestive doesn't mean its for titilation.