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Engineering Nerd
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 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:16 pm
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Oh no, compare to Tales of Zestiria's initial sales number, ToB's sales is significantly lower, what happened? I mean...Ufotable even devoted two episodes of ToZ anime just to promote this game...
Quite bizzare
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sailorsweeper
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:20 pm
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I think being related to Zesteria and mess it caused probably hurt it a bit also the sales being split between PS4 and PS3 too.
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jesusalcala11
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:22 pm
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Since there were Tales of Berseria episodes in the Tales of Zestiria anime, I thought Tales of Berseria was released a while ago, not on the 18th. Now the inclusion of Berseria in the Zestiria anime makes commercial sense. I originally thought that the producers should have waited until there was a better point to transition, but it makes more business sense to air the Berseria episodes on the game's release week.
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KH91
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:24 pm
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Baba disaster still lingers in people's hearts.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:38 pm
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Even if the sales Tales of Berseria isn't as strong as that of Tales of Zestiria's, a combined estimate of 250,000 copies is still a great start. 
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Alabaster Spectrum
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:07 pm
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| Mr. Oshawott wrote: | Even if the sales Tales of Berseria isn't as strong as that of Tales of Zestiria's, a combined estimate of 250,000 copies is still a great start. |
This isn't counting digital release either which was heavily pushed though I have a feeling people ignore this as a potential factor and just push the storyline about it being all a result of Zestiria. Thing is I can't think of one single Japanese franchise that isn't experiencing a noticeable decline in physical media sales in Japan right now from it's prior iterations. Anime commercials to promote it or no it's just all trending down if people are actually paying attention to the bigger picture, comparing and contrasting instead of just subscribing to storylines and narratives.
For starters just a really bad economy isn't helping, but also Japan is really taking the piss out of a lot of franchises with the way it's marketing and designing them in the current age and just not bloody well listening to fan feedback nearly enough and taking it's time with much of anything which is when things usually turn out well and you have those big outlier windfalls in sales (See Girls und Panzer Der Film for example). It's the age of unabashed waifuism/husbandoism (IMO this is the only thing keeping a lot of it from bottoming out right now, you know targeting whales and blind franchise loyalism and what not) and really if it weren't for the noticeably increased sales and interest in a lot of Japanese media things in the SEA region it'd reflect a lot more harshly in more than a few companies annuals. I think in spite of what the Japanese multimedia industry is trying to display through publicity pieces and what not we're just seeing a rapid decline in it's overall quality and internationalism relevance into simple commercialism and marketing schemes trying to make up the gap in observable quality.
All in all I didn't get this fake enthusiasm with a still noticeable edge of thinly veiled cynicism vibe and just general bad behavior from both the industry and it's fans in prior decades that's for sure.
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falcon.punch
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:14 pm
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So the Berseria Boom wasn't as big...
Dun dun duun~
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Lynx Amali
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 4:29 pm
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| Engineering Nerd wrote: | | Oh no, compare to Tales of Zestiria's initial sales number, ToB's sales is significantly lower, what happened? I mean...Ufotable even devoted two episodes of ToZ anime just to promote this game...
Quite bizzare |
Not really bizarre. Japan hated Zesteria something fierce. I can't say I blame them though; Zesteria was a thoroughly mediocre game and had some outright bad moments that might've soured the well so to speak.
The marketing and final product having such a disconnect didn't help matters either.
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:48 pm
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| Alabaster Spectrum wrote: | | This isn't counting digital release either which was heavily pushed though I have a feeling people ignore this as a potential factor and just push the storyline about it being all a result of Zestiria. Thing is I can't think of one single Japanese franchise that isn't experiencing a noticeable decline in physical media sales in Japan right now from it's prior iterations. Anime commercials to promote it or no it's just all trending down if people are actually paying attention to the bigger picture, comparing and contrasting instead of just subscribing to storylines and narratives.
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Come to think of it, even some of Japan's generally bigger franchises (Super Mario, Final Fantasy, etc.) have been steadily trending downward for some time now, looking through hindsight...
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Guile
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:49 pm
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| Alabaster Spectrum wrote: | | For starters just a really bad economy isn't helping, but also Japan is really taking the piss out of a lot of franchises with the way it's marketing and designing them in the current age and just not bloody well listening to fan feedback nearly enough and taking it's time with much of anything which is when things usually turn out well and you have those big outlier windfalls in sales (See Girls und Panzer Der Film for example). It's the age of unabashed waifuism/husbandoism (IMO this is the only thing keeping a lot of it from bottoming out right now, you know targeting whales and blind franchise loyalism and what not) and really if it weren't for the noticeably increased sales and interest in a lot of Japanese media things in the SEA region it'd reflect a lot more harshly in more than a few companies annuals. I think in spite of what the Japanese multimedia industry is trying to display through publicity pieces and what not we're just seeing a rapid decline in it's overall quality and internationalism relevance into simple commercialism and marketing schemes trying to make up the gap in observable quality. |
Less internationalism is a good thing. The main reason for Star Ocean 5's failure was the developers focusing on western audiences, which alienated and angered a lot of Japanese fans, and western audiences who wanted a game similar to the old ones. After the controversy from the last Tales, lower sales is expected. Japanese audiences are anything but loyalists, they are one of the few who actually follow through with boycotts.
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theNightster
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:33 pm
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| sailorsweeper wrote: | | I think being related to Zesteria and mess it caused probably hurt it a bit also the sales being split between PS4 and PS3 too. |
why would that be? Sure they share a universe (not a lot of tales games do that) but it's still very much it's own story with it's own gameplay (thank god because Zesteria's battle system was a less fun version of graces)
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