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KH91
Joined: 17 May 2013
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 3:52 pm
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diefty wrote: |
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FackuIkari wrote: | 7 years later but at least he apologized for it |
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lol Good one.
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PenguinPimp89
Joined: 12 Apr 2016
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:41 pm
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Apologize? For what? What's he talking about? Why would he do that? There is no live-action Dragonball movie, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
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Fronzel
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:47 pm
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It's not a good movie but I get the impression that the reason a lot of people don't like it is because of its low resemblance to the source material and I don't see the point. Yeah, they tried to turn a manga into a Hollywood PG action-adventure and changed nearly everything. So? Adaptations should be free. It's not as there's much going on thematically in Dragon Ball they tossed aside.
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penguintruth
Joined: 08 Dec 2004
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Location: Penguinopolis
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:48 pm
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It's unnecessary. No live-action Dragon Ball movie was going to be good, even if the story was better. Anyone upset about DB Evolution is in the wrong for expecting anything from it.
He should apologize to the cast and crew for wasting their time and the studio for wasting their money on the project.
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Hellfish
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
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Location: Mexico
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:57 pm
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I don't think he needs to apologize, he needed money and unfortunately I don't think he had much to work with. It happens sometimes you get shitty jobs.
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Mr. Oshawott
Joined: 12 Mar 2012
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:09 pm
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It takes great courage to publicly admit responsibility of the entire failure of a movie; thus, kudos to Mr. Ramsey for doing that. However, I place most of Dragonball Evolution's failure on the director.
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TheLineOfSight
Joined: 01 Jun 2014
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:22 pm
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I thought the movie for great for what it was. A western based retelling. It told the basic story of Dragon Ball and had the key characters people remembered from the anime. I don't see how it could have been any better at the time with the resources the movie had then.
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EricJ2
Joined: 01 Feb 2014
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:27 pm
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TheLineOfSight wrote: | I thought the movie for great for what it was. A western based retelling. It told the basic story of Dragon Ball and had the key characters people remembered from the anime. I don't see how it could have been any better at the time with the resources the movie had then. |
Again, there were more "western version" cameos in the original first-draft script--
We know that the Evolution-verse version of Chichi has a rich daddy, but I can't recall whether we ever saw in the theatrical version that the Ox King was a big-daddy WWF wrestling champion, more in the spirit of Videl and Mr. Satan.
Of literally a dozen people whose Fault It Was, the final-draft screenwriter's not even in the top 5 list.
There's an old saying about piano players in Western saloons.
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Usagi-kun
Joined: 03 Jul 2013
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Location: Nashville, TN
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:43 pm
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I'm sorry, it's been 7 years, and I couldn't care less about that movie any more. I've never even heard of this guy and wouldn't have sent him hate mail over it. If you really want my honest, no-nonsense response, it is that we all missed out on something; us as fans for that joke, and him on the return from a more serious or successful adaptation. Tis a bitter punchline, or brew, potion, etc.
Added a comma.
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FireballDragon
Joined: 17 Nov 2014
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:49 pm
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That movie was something they could show prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, but at least the writer's admitting his mistake. It's a start.
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ChrisKris
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 6:02 pm
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This movie was so horrible....
If u want to make a Movie that comes from a Anime.
Atleast do your homework and make it worth watching.
Or you shouldn't even start making it. Waste of money.
Atleast he apologized.
If I wanted to watch a stupid movie and waste my time.
I always can go for some Bollywood movies or Shark VS Gaint Octopus etc.
Let's hope he neva get a new idea how to screw a Anime in a live action movie.
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leafy sea dragon
Joined: 27 Oct 2009
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 6:16 pm
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louis6578 wrote: | For people who say he doesn't have to apologize, keep in mind, he wasn't trying to make a good movie. He was trying to make money. This wasn't a misled attempt at making something great. This was a "well, I'm gonna make money either way. Why try?". He deserves to apologize, but whether or not hatemail is warranted... that's a different subject. |
In addition, since he said he wasn't a fan and was just brought into the project, chances are he knew very little about DBZ prior to signing on and had to learn everything he did as he went.
But yeah, what he essentially said was that this was simply a way to pay the bills and keep the lights on where he lived. Being a movie screenwriter is very tough (or freelance anything, for that matter); months or even years could go by without any company accepting you or your scripts. Beggars can't be choosers, though it looks like the concluding sentence of that apology indicates he can now afford to choose.
It's the same with any creative field: You might suddenly be put into a project you know nothing about or have little interest in. You could do all the research you can, but you still won't match the level of knowledge of a fan or a scholar.
penguintruth wrote: | He should apologize to the cast and crew for wasting their time and the studio for wasting their money on the project. |
He has no need to apologize to the studio because the studio was what provided him with his paychecks.
ChrisKris wrote: | If I wanted to watch a stupid movie and waste my time.
I always can go for some Bollywood movies or Shark VS Gaint Octopus etc. |
Now you're insulting the millions of Bollywood fans. It's an acquired taste though.
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DRosencraft
Joined: 27 Apr 2010
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 6:44 pm
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It takes a ton of courage to come out and say "yeah, it's all on me. My bad". That being said, I don't think he needed to. Show me a person who has never had to take on a job they weren't enthusiastic about but needed the money, and I'll show you a person who has never worked in their lives. It happens. I don't think he went in and said he was going to make something people would hate. He was given a project, and he gave it a shot. I'm sure he would have been thrilled if everyone loved what he did and the project is what made his name in the business. But it didn't happen, and it was in part because of a series that just isn't going to work in the format he was working with. If it wasn't this guy, surely someone else would have been given the job, and failed just the same because Hollywood has long been looking to capitalize on the popularity in the anime niche.
I think it is always disgusting when folks feel the need to attack anyone who merely fails to meet their own personal sense of expectation. If you want to criticize the execution on the work, that's one thing. But the kind of hate people seem to think they are entitled to toss at someone doing their job always aggravates me. If you think it's bad, critique the execution or don't watch, and move on. This guy never deserved the hate mail he received.
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Afezeria
Joined: 20 Aug 2015
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Location: Malaysia, Kuantan.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:28 pm
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DRosencraft wrote: | I think it is always disgusting when folks feel the need to attack anyone who merely fails to meet their own personal sense of expectation. If you want to criticize the execution on the work, that's one thing. But the kind of hate people seem to think they are entitled to toss at someone doing their job always aggravates me. If you think it's bad, critique the execution or don't watch, and move on. This guy never deserved the hate mail he received. |
This is what happened with every fandom out there especially the anime fandom, so called fans would downright insulted anyone that does mistakes to things even by a slight mile without even thinking of the creator's feeling. I guess it's just a normal thing that us human can't avoided since insulting and discriminating is mostly a preferable subject rather than to enjoyed on something and then just simply moved on to check out the next thing. Of course, some people might defended their stance by saying it's the freedom of expression. A lot of people doesn't realized how short this life is.
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 7:37 pm
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At least the people who actually sat through the film finally got something entertaining out of it.
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