Forum - View topicSword Art Online: What makes it SEEM so bad?
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Key
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This happened to Asuna twice? Really? Think you might want to check your facts there. I won't dispute for a second that Asuna's scene was handled in a trashy, over-the-top fashion, and I could do without that myself. However, I will dispute that Shion's scene was handled badly. Speaking as a guy, I didn't see a single thing titillating about it, and I still maintain that the writing at that point made a very conscious effort to correct what they did wrong with Asuna's scene. She was able to struggle her way out it, act to help her own situation, and even though she had some help from Kazuto, she was the one who put her (former) friend down. Even more importantly, it became a turning point for her, the first time she was able to transfer the strength she had in the game to her real life. Now, could that have been handled without involving an attempted rape/murder-suicide? Possibly. However, I thought the scene achieved its purpose quite well, and without aiming to be a fan service scene in the process.
You know, even though I've use this phrase myself, I am really growing to hate it. It's like it's become the default way to criticize content that is emotionally moving to others but not the speaker. |
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CrowLia
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Uhm... you might want to reread my whole post and check your facts. There are two rape-y scenes involving Asuna which I both described in my post: when she tries to escape and is captured by the tentacle monsters and when Evil McVillain assaults her in the final confrontation. What facts are there to check. They're right there. Go watch the show Even if the tentacle thingies weren't expressly trying to rape her, you're not going to tell me that scene isn't framed as a flipping tentacle rape scene
(link is obviously NSFW) http://oi63.tinypic.com/2la3ddg.jpg I did not say a single thing about Shino's rape scene because I don't remember it honestly, I don't recall anything particularly awful about it either. |
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jl07045
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Ask the otaku if they are titillated by some sleazy asshole attacking their waifu. I'm quite certain ntr fetishists are still a minority. |
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Alcyon
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Oh God, as a fan of the novels, I'd [expletive] love it  And if you haven't done it yet, you should try SAO Abridged on Youtube
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Night fox
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Yes, that's just ridiculous. Sure, today there's guns, alcohol and various narcotics in every other home - some even keep venomous snakes and big cats (like lions) as pets. There're also activities like motorsports, downhill skiing, bullriding, and bungeejumping. But to accept a potentially dangerous device that creates virtual reality!? Never, we're not THAT stupid. I mean it's not as if there would be a demand for such a device? 
Btw. everyone agrees that cell phone radiation is harmless and the dangers of nuclear powerplants are just a myth. Tjernobyl, Fukushima and Harrisburg being the exceptions ofc. Finally, noone would ever attempt something as dangerous as sending people into space and definitely not spend billions of USD in doing so. Humans are rational beings after all... 
~EDIT~ There are powerful electrical currents running through our walls at home ffs. How many people have been electrocuted, or have had their homes burnt to the ground, by some faulty device? How many home products are either toxic, corrosive, or flammable? Are lawnmovers, chainsaws, garbage disposal grinders and gas stoves safe products? But dangerous microwaves? OMG!! *runs away screaming* |
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Key
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Posts: 18394 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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My apologies, then; it didn't occur to me that you might be including the tentacle monsters as a "rape-y" scene. I instead redirect that diatribe at others (not necessarily in this thread) who have complained about Shion's scene. |
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Chiibi
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Tentacle groping doesn't affect me at all these days, honestly. It's just a dumb, overused ecchi joke that gets an eye-roll from me and nothing else.
Listen this excerpt from Liz describing Asuna though!!
......I'm dying. 
I tried it but I didn't like it....mostly for some of the voices. I do like the part about Asuna not being able to find the menu...but that's it.
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Vaisaga
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We made it through Dragonar Academy. We're pretty much immune to tentacles after that. |
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Kruszer
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If I'm going to watch/read both the source and the adaptation I'd actually find it really boring if they were too similar. Retreading the same material, even if it's good, is a little dull and which ever one I saw second wouldn't be any fun because I'd already know what happens. Having the adaptation and source be told from different perspectives or have the storyline go in a different direction would be a huge plus.
Also 9 times out of 10 the source is going to be better anyway, especially if it's a book or VN, this should not be a surprise to anyone given the increased level of information that can be conveyed about descriptions and and thoughts in text that doesn't work or waould take to long in other forms of media. That doesn't mean an adaptation can't be enjoyed for it's own merits though. |
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Alcyon
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Since someone mentionned it, a dangerous toy in the Real world
Or another one. Of course, impossible to have a dangerous toy, they are tested, etc, etc etc. |
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Touma
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@Alcyon,
There really is no comparison between those and something that was intentionally made to be capable of instantly killing the user. I agree that the NerveGear would never have made it to mass distribution without somebody noticing that it was capable of that. But that did not really bother me because my suspension of disbelief was able to handle it. I just ignored it and enjoyed the show. |
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Alcyon
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do you believe that you need a PhD in Science to understand that a oven can burn children ? do you understand that your TV can kill you ? Or this kind of things ? Safety test -> out of concern. Any battery in a cellphone or a laptop has enough energy to explode and kill you. And here, removing a safety is a software problem, not really difficult to hide it in a code with probably millions of lines. There is 2 plot holes : 1) The helmet : hijack the brain is probably impossible, and even if we could do it, every single brain is different. 2) Microwaves. You cannot use microwave to hijack the brain. Microwaves are used to scan the active part of your brain, but you cannot get more informations. Funny how you can accept a "magical helmet" but don't accept a burst of energy from some electronic device :p |
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nobahn
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Enough. Stop with the harassment. |
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Touma
Posts: 2651 Location: Colorado, USA |
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I can accept the burst of energy from an electronic device. I spent several decades working with electronic devices that are capable of delivering just such a burst of energy. What I cannot accept is that nobody noticed that the helmet was capable of doing that. As I said, it does not bother me. But I can definitely understand why some people might have a problem with it. For that to actually happen seems very unlikely to me. |
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littlegreenwolf
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Yes, that's one situation. I was ok with it mostly. Do it once, it's ok. Asuna is really the only think I like about the show, and the only reason I read the first couple of novels, but we're talking about the anime here, and I stated the female characterS. Sword Art Online in general is very bad about just creating empty, cookie cutter personalities for the girls or just going all out and being inconsistent in their behavior. I'm not talking about instances where Asuna needs help, I'm talking about 180s in her personality when previous we would have seen her do something else in a similar situation. As to the attempted rape scenes throughout the show - anyone who didn't see the fan service in them is kidding themselves. They were all done in a way to appeal to the male gaze, with fanservice in mind which was half of what I found so stomach turning. I am ok with rape being in my entertainment if it handles it respectfully. I'm sure there are other anime that have done so, but at the moment I can only recall the anime Now and Then Here and There handling it in a way that it showed the horror and effect of the act, and not the least bit fanservicey. I am NOT ok with it being a cheap plot device to throw in some fanservice and drama. |
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