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NEWS: Kickstarter Asks Grisaia Project to Remove Hugging Pillow Rewards


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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:05 am Reply with quote
If Kickstarter has a problem with the hug pillows being inappropriate... I wonder if they're aware Grisaia is a porn game.
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relentlessflame



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:08 am Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
If Kickstarter has a problem with the hug pillows being inappropriate... I wonder if they're aware Grisaia is a porn game.

Well... in fairness, they're bringing over the all-ages version. I don't think they'll be worried about the Japanese original, since it isn't on the site.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:10 am Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
If Kickstarter has a problem with the hug pillows being inappropriate... I wonder if they're aware Grisaia is a porn game.


For the moment, the Sekai Project Kickstarter only include the all ages port based on the Vita version (despite originally having the prefundia preview include both versions). It appears they are trying to work out a deal so that backers can get an uncut version either free or at a discount, but that is in Frontwing's hands and won't be finalized until January. They do intend to separate release the uncut release under a different label after the all ages release regardless of if a deal can be worked out or not for backers, but for now it has no connection to the Kickstarter.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:16 am Reply with quote
How disappointing Kickstarter has enough initiative to go after something like this but not Kickstarters which are actual scams, or Kickstarters which ended over a year ago but have yet to deliver their promises.

If they're going to play that way, could they not just loop hole it and say the pledge tier will be for a ticket, and you can exchange the ticket for a 'special item' on the official website's shop?

-Stuart Smith
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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:18 am Reply with quote
relentlessflame wrote:
Well... in fairness, they're bringing over the all-ages version. I don't think they'll be worried about the Japanese original, since it isn't on the site.


They're releasing both an all ages version and an adult version, though.
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Hameyadea



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:20 am Reply with quote
Now that is just annoying, since Sekai Project self-censored the breasts and crotchs that weren't "age appropriate", and made it very clear that those are rewards for adults backers only.
I hope it will be resolved with as little change as possible.
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Soaringfalcon



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:24 am Reply with quote
relentlessflame wrote:
Vaisaga wrote:
If Kickstarter has a problem with the hug pillows being inappropriate... I wonder if they're aware Grisaia is a porn game.

Well... in fairness, they're bringing over the all-ages version. I don't think they'll be worried about the Japanese original, since it isn't on the site.
i wouldn't mislead to call it an all ages version cause in Japan the ps vita port which the project is based on has a Cero D which is the equivalent to an M rating so yeah wouldn't call it a game anyone can play.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:07 am Reply with quote
SoaringFalcon wrote:
i wouldn't mislead to call it an all ages version cause in Japan the ps vita port which the project is based on has a Cero D which is the equivalent to an M rating so yeah wouldn't call it a game anyone can play.
All ages release is just a general term for the non adult versions of an eroge. It doesn't exactly mean an E rating, it just refers to the fact that you do not have to be 18 or up to buy it.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:27 am Reply with quote
Is it really violating their policy? They don't want to be regarded as a porn site among web filters.
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ParaSitius



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:58 am Reply with quote
The usual crap that companies pull off when something gets a lot of media attention, they check it out to see why it is so popular and see something they don't like and jump on it.

Who's betting that if a project was asking for 5 grand and offered something similar it would slip past their radar without any problems.
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revolutionotaku



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:05 am Reply with quote
Wow, what a bunch of prudes. Laughing
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:11 am Reply with quote
It's pretty nonsensical for Kickstarter to throw a fit over some dakimakura when they have other more serious targets to go after (inactive campaigns, scam artists, etc.)...

Besides, I don't think they're controversial enough for them to be removed, anyway...
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configspace



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:35 am Reply with quote
kevinx59 wrote:
SoaringFalcon wrote:
i wouldn't mislead to call it an all ages version cause in Japan the ps vita port which the project is based on has a Cero D which is the equivalent to an M rating so yeah wouldn't call it a game anyone can play.
All ages release is just a general term for the non adult versions of an eroge. It doesn't exactly mean an E rating, it just refers to the fact that you do not have to be 18 or up to buy it.

Yeah that's right. Japanese publishers themselves refers to it as all-ages. Also, CERO-D is not equivalent to M in the US.

enurtsol wrote:
Is it really violating their policy?

Yes Prohibited Items

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They don't want to be regarded as a porn site among web filters.

Of course, they don't define what "porn" is either. But this all-ages version is not porn, nor is the dakimakura reward, even if risque (or nude). However they've also put in the rule about prohibiting anything "offensive" which gives them A LOT of leeway for everything else.
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koestl



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 10:02 am Reply with quote
In terms of "pornographic content," Kickstarter is free to set their own policies. The issue in this case is that they have done so really inconsistently:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ironspike/smut-peddler-2014-ladyporn-conquers-earth

This project took in nearly 200,000 dollars for something for porn. Straight-up porn. It's comic-book porn, but it's still porn.

In their FAQs, they state the following:

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Kickstarter's policy on pornography prohibits live-action video and photographic pornography. Smut Peddler isn't one of those things, so it's okay! Heck, Smut Peddler isn't even the first brazenly-named, lady-driven, comic book porno Kickstarter! Search "Pornzine."

How do I know this for sure? I didn't, until I asked Kickstarter's staff.


There have been other projects with explicit dakimakura, even:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1500482054/sunrider/posts/764570[/quote]
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configspace



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:08 pm Reply with quote
koestl wrote:
In terms of "pornographic content," Kickstarter is free to set their own policies. The issue in this case is that they have done so really inconsistently:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ironspike/smut-peddler-2014-ladyporn-conquers-earth

This project took in nearly 200,000 dollars for something for porn. Straight-up porn. It's comic-book porn, but it's still porn.

In their FAQs, they state the following:

Quote:
Kickstarter's policy on pornography prohibits live-action video and photographic pornography. Smut Peddler isn't one of those things, so it's okay! Heck, Smut Peddler isn't even the first brazenly-named, lady-driven, comic book porno Kickstarter! Search "Pornzine."

How do I know this for sure? I didn't, until I asked Kickstarter's staff.

Actually they called it "porn" but Kickstarter considers it erotic art. There are have been other projects that have been in the erotic artbook category too.

Smut Peddler is a continuation of a title that was "sex-positive, female-friendly erotic comics from the best and the brightest in the independent small press publishing world," The original book publishers and contributing artists themselves don't even treat it porn even though that word is casually thrown around.

What seems to matter most is the level of offensiveness, which is stated explicitly in their rules. Smut Peddler hits all the social progressive checkboxes, so that contributed to its acceptability.

In Grisaia's case, it's certainly not porn, nor is the dakimakura porn, even if it depicts nudity (which is not considered porn, even if live action). However, the fact that it's of a student could be the problem. Again, offensiveness or social acceptability.

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There have been other projects with explicit dakimakura, even:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1500482054/sunrider/posts/764570

The characters on the dakimakura are all of indeterminate age and are all space pilots. More importantly, it was only revealed in an update 2 months after it was funded, so there's nothing Kickstarter could have done.

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