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Harleyquin
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A quick search and now I know why the music sounded familiar.
Fukasawa Hideyuki has been collaborating with Type-Moon in their other works, so rather than asking Kawai Kenji or Kajiura Yuki to do this soundtrack he was asked to continue his association by doing this series. If the name is unfamiliar, it won't be to those who are familiar with Type Moon's last work: Mahoutsukai no Yoru. |
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Animegomaniac
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Episode 0. Not explaining anything that's going on or whatever or how it relates to Fate/Zero's artifact summoning {"The amulet" yes, I know that, we know that... we know a lot of things, don't we?}, the Grail War, characters, setting, plot, motivation and looking pretty in 40 minutes {ah budget, always nice to have one, yes?}, summed up thusly:
"I'm going to fight {... whatever ... Yes, the Grail War but wasn't that a good time to fill it in rather than just fill out the run time even as Archer snarks about the wasting time montage even if the comment is wasting time itself?} because I want to." First, stupid but I've always thought that much. No lofty goals or base desires.... such as living... and not much of a clue of the types she's going to be up against {again, we Know}, she waltzes into this not even being just naïve but naively naive. Second, so this is how we're going to kill time in this series? Spin wheels, fill in some information {again, we know}, look at the scenery, have a Fight of Ultimate Destiny {or so the score says} or pointless dust up {from the episode count, in this case Zero so guess which one it is? I have the same problem with Fate Zero; The producers aren't even being ironic about it like you can get with "I've narrowed down the mystery to the guy I recognize" shows} get some more information... I still have the movie on my shelf, the original Fate stay Night show's already been done years ago and the game itself is even older. This is worse than Sailor Moon Crystal; At least that show has a half hearted production to go alone with its "We're not doing anything new here; This is strictly for the fans." show. It's still better than the original Fate Stay Night but that's a very low bar. I haven't gotten into Archer yet. No, that would be a post on its own. Ok, fans: Is the UBW prologue really that manipulative? Visual novel game Prologue so there are no choices or options to take there, it's just text/images/cut scenes... Vocal muting on Archer's {again, we know, why are they being coy about it?} battle invocation even if Rin should have heard what he said? Even if he said it 27 times? Duel wielding Archer as a surprise, that it means something? That's the thing they use as a "you should know this already" plot element? F****** hell... Well, I didn't realize I was this angry with the show I just watched. I don't even know what's spoilers are anymore thanks to this mess of a franchise |
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Harleyquin
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You've never played the game and/or know the series from its adaptations, then yes a lot of what was explained in the prologue does appear to be a waste of time.
Unfortunately, the game's prologue was actually this long. Very little was cut from that part for adaptation into a full 45 minute episode. Archer DOES ask Rin about her motivations to join the War at the rooftop. As for Archer's battle with Lancer, Rin doesn't actually HEAR anything Archer says due to the speed and the distance she's standing away from the action. Not that it matters, but if you can compare what goes on in the game with what they ended up animating the attention to detail and lack of deviation from the script is actually commendable (at least I think so). It's easy being snarky about this if you're very aware of the series, but there's a small possibility that there are new entrants to this series and as mentioned by the professional reviewers on this website and elsewhere the content is still vague enough to keep that segment curious as to what comes next. |
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Cranium
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I have never watched anything from the Fate franchise. Is this series a good place to start or do I have to watch Fate/zero first?
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誤称
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Start here. |
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getchman
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Animegomaniac, why are you still watching any of this franchise?
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Knoepfchen
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Her motivation to enter the war was explained in a very straightforward fashion. First thing that happens is seeing her dreaming of her spoiler[dead] parents, spoiler[participants and victims of the last Grail War]. She mentions, sighs at, and tries to live up to daddy's expectations several times throughout the episode, which went out if it's way to show her house being overgrown and her being left alone. Even without knowing anything about the mechanics of the Grail War or the events in Fate/Zero it should be obvious Rin is trying to fulfill the expectations she was trained to fulfill since early childhood. Archer even mentions this. Adding her being very much alone in that old house and dreaming of Daddy going away, everyone can conclude why she is determined to do this and why she cannot tell Archer. Nothing left unsaid. |
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jl07045
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Well, it's not like she's lying when saying to Archer that she wants to win. She is competitive. In the novel there was a longer dialogue between her and Ayako, that established that.
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Spotlesseden
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you don't have to watch Fate/Zero, but it will help if you want to understand everything at the beginning. Like, the Golden hair guy in this ep, spoiler[the jerk priest , what's the result of the last war, Emiya Shiro's none blood related Step sister]... I still think Rin is the best girl even though Saber fans hate me. |
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Dessa
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I would highly recommend NOT watching Fate/Zero before this.
The reason behind this, is because, despite F/Z coming before this chronologically, when you look at the original sources, you're supposed to know all of this before going into F/Z. For those unaware, the release order of the franchise is as follows: 1) F/sn VN >Fate route (required to unlock UBW) >UBW route (required to unlock Heaven's Feel) >Heaven's Feel route 2) Fate/Zero novels In Japanese media, there seems to be a heavy expectation that you know the source material. That's why a lot of series will have spoiler openings, because they expect everyone watching to already know the spoilers. At the same time, they try to be as accurate as possible to the source material, to bring in new viewers. Furthermore, if something is a sequel/prequel to something, you're expected to already be familiar with the first work. In the case of the Fate franchise, the mistake that's often made is that, since the first Fate/stay night anime is looked down upon (IMO, it's fine as its own route that's primarily based on the Fate route), that this series is a sequel to Fate/Zero anime. However, while Fate/Zero works well enough as a stand alone (although you definitely get more out of it having a base knowledge of Fate/stay night, especially HF), as Fate/Zero is a prequel to the source of this series, and was written much later, there's no connections from this to F/Z. Personally, this series has the least amount of connections to Fate/Zero as the other two routes. The Fate route connects directly between Fate/Zero and spoiler[Saber's continued story], as well as spoiler[what happened with Gilgamesh and Kotomine] after the events of Fate/Zero. Heaven's Feel connects directly with spoiler[the continuation of Sakura's story], and the "true end" of the events that started in Fate/Zero. To sum everything up, Fate/Zero comes with an expectation that you're familiar with the events of Fate/stay night (all 3 routes), and it builds upon the background given (primarily in Fate and Heaven's Feel). Unlimited Blade Works, on the other hand, has an expectation that you don't know Fate/Zero, since F/Z didn't exist at the time. There's going to be very little direct connections between the two (IIRC, spoiler[Illya's origin and backstory] is pretty much it), and you'll get more out of Fate/Zero knowing the basis of the events of the 5th war first. |
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Spotlesseden
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not really. You don't need to know anything about FSN to watch FZ. lol Even all reviewers agree. They explain everything everything in that series. Some reviewers in ANN even complain about too much detail. |
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Dessa
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Please re-read my post. No, you don't need to know F/sn first. But the expectation, from the Japanese creators, is there. Anime adaptations of pre-existing work expect you to know the source material. If it's "No Export For You" for people in the west, that's our problem, not theirs. The creators are still making the work with an expectation that you'll know the source material, and know any previous works.
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Spotlesseden
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not sure why you get this idea. There is no expectation for you to know all 3 routes. You can't even give me any example on why we should know all 3 route to watch the anime. lol
It has nothing to do with east or west. The writer himself on the interview during a con said he didn't even know everything about FSN. Typemoon just provide him with the detail info and he works from there for the LN. He drafted up a proposal on how the story will go and get Typemoon to approve. he probably didn't even play the game. I wouldn't think Urobuchi would waste time to play all 3 routes. |
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doubleO7
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It would hardly be wasted time if he was enjoying it, especially if he was doing research for his novels. Sounds pretty productive to me. |
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Dessa
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Regardless on if Urobuchi himself has read the VN, he had the information revealed in the VN, which readers of his novel would be expected to know. In fact, he explained this as part of his answer specifically to my question at Sakura-Con 2012. I asked about the difficulties in writing a story when the ending is already set, and audience already knows the ending. His response was that it didn't affect his writing, since he already writes the ending first. The challenge was in making the story interesting, because you needed to engage fans in the story that they already knew the ending to, but that, even with the information already provided in F/sn about the Fourth Holy Grail War, there was enough that was still unknown, that he was able to write the story to still be enjoyable.
He explicitly stated that he wrote the novels with the expectation that his readers already knew the story of the VN. Which is a common Japanese culture thing. That people going into a sequel/prequel or an adaptation will already know the source material. Because the sequel/prequel/adaptation is meant to supplement the original, not replace it. My point stands: F/Z was made with an expectation that the majority of their Japanese audience (i.e. the one it was made for) already knew the foundations laid in F/sn. F/sn, on the other hand, was made long before F/Z was ever thought up. Therefore, it makes more sense, and there is less expectation of prior knowledge, to watch an adaptation from F/sn first. |
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