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enurtsol
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:46 am
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| lizardking461 wrote: |
| Alunimus wrote: |
| Quote: | | Russia's anti-gay law |
Ha-ha, this thing's always cracks me up! Prohibition of LGBT propaganda =| anti-gay law. I have some gay friends living in Russia and they're fine. This law only prohibits such ridiculous things as gay-parades. |
Wow, you're a twit. Your friends are clearly VERY FORTUNATE to live in some of the few tolerant places in Russia then. Throughout the country, the law in question is being used as an implicit excuse to beat, torture, humiliate and shame (and probably kill) LGBT people by police and right-wing extremists alike. Anti-gay propaganda (including that sanctioned by the government) is rife and purports completely non-sensical rubbish to simply inspire and spread further ignorance and hate e.g. a common "fact" given is that the majority of gay men are also apparently peadophiles. Please do a little basic fact checking before spouting rubbish. Your assumedly handful of friends are not representative of the entirety of Russia's populace. |
Heck, look at Sochi!
http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2014/story/_/id/10358250/2014-winter-olympics-mayor-anatoly-pakhomov-says-there-no-gay-people-sochi
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Gilles Poitras
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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Location: Oakland California
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:57 am
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- This is not loli. 14 to 18 aren't loli |
Actually in Japan it would be though the older part of the age range is pushing it.
An example from anime is that Ryo in City Hunter is more than once accused of being a lolicon for haveing been (falsely) perceived as being attracted to a 15 or 17 year old.
In any case I would love to know what titles this guy was convicted for.
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Tiggyz
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:13 am
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| Deacon Blues wrote: | | Child porn is still child porn whether it is real or animated. There is no getting around that. |
You do realize that Russia isn't doing anything about the really large actual child porn market, but yet they go after anime fans who obviously are not going out and molesting children. This seems really unfair 
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Polycell
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:48 pm
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It's not about fairness, it's about being seen as "doing something" without having to spend the resources needed to deal with the actual problem. It happens all the time.
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configspace
Joined: 16 Aug 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:22 pm
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| Gilles Poitras wrote: |
| configspace wrote: | |
- This is not loli. 14 to 18 aren't loli |
Actually in Japan it would be though the older part of the age range is pushing it.
An example from anime is that Ryo in City Hunter is more than once accused of being a lolicon for haveing been (falsely) perceived as being attracted to a 15 or 17 year old.
In any case I would love to know what titles this guy was convicted for. |
All we know was that it was only one title, with 13 episodes.
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Cptn_Taylor
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:39 pm
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| configspace wrote: | | Any actual hentai, no matter how offensive should still be legal, but just to get the facts straight with regards to this story:
- This is not porn. No hentai show has 13 episodes
- This is not loli. 14 to 18 aren't loli |
Well Japan has a fetish for lolicons and shotacons. You can scream until you're dead that the characters that appear on those manga and or/animes are "adults". It won't make any difference because mangaka/character designers draw "adult" characters to look like children. We wouldn't have these problems if those otakus grew up and started having natural sexual lives.
For instance the manga Crying freeman is full of nudity, both male and female, but no one would consider it to be child porn 'cause the characters are adults and are drawn like adults.
Seriously, porn in manga is as old as porn in comic books. Christ when I was a teenager I used to go from time to time to a library that sold comic books, all kinds of comic books and right there in the middle of the shop you had porn comics. And reading them was a blast  (the country was not the US of A nor was it the Soviet Union  ) . But the characters were adults. And it was all legal. And nobody made a fuss about it.
Japan put your house in order and make it illegal for lolicon and shotacon to be produced. And no, neither the manga nor the anime industry will collapse because of this.
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Cptn_Taylor
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:43 pm
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| Tiggyz wrote: |
| Deacon Blues wrote: | | Child porn is still child porn whether it is real or animated. There is no getting around that. |
You do realize that Russia isn't doing anything about the really large actual child porn market, but yet they go after anime fans who obviously are not going out and molesting children. This seems really unfair |
You do realize that governments can do many things at the same time ?
Case closed. 
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Cptn_Taylor
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:49 pm
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| DTJB wrote: | Knock it off Putin.
| Deacon Blues wrote: | | Child porn is still child porn whether it is real or animated. There is no getting around that. |
Does that mean a homicide is still a homicide if comes in the form of a book, a TV series, or a movie? |
No of course not. BUT :
You can still be convicted if you plan to do a homicide but don't carry it through (and there are proofs of this of course). So your analogy is quite flawed.
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Rederoin
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:51 pm
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| Cptn_Taylor wrote: |
You do realize that governments can do many things at the same time ?
Case closed. |
Or they could use the money they saved from not arresting/convicting that man to go after real problems.
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No of course not. BUT :
You can still be convicted if you plan to do a homicide but don't carry it through (and there are proofs of this of course). So your analogy is quite flawed. |
Lolicons aren't planning on committing any crimes either.
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Well Japan has a fetish for lolicons and shotacons.
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Japan has a fetish for those who have a fetish for Lolis and Shotas? Thats new to me, those Otaku must be popular among the girls.
| Quote: | | You can scream until you're dead that the characters that appear on those manga and or/animes are "adults". It won't make any difference because mangaka/character designers draw "adult" characters to look like children. |
Nobody is saying that those character are adults?
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We wouldn't have these problems if those otakus grew up and started having natural sexual lives.
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Why should people be forced to lead natural sex lives?
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Japan put your house in order and make it illegal for lolicon and shotacon to be produced. And no, neither the manga nor the anime industry will collapse because of this. |
Go Censorship! Go Russ.. I mean Japan!
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Tiggyz
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:04 pm
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| rederoin wrote: |
| Cptn_Taylor wrote: |
You do realize that governments can do many things at the same time ?
Case closed. |
Or they could use the money they saved from not arresting/convicting that man to go after real problems.
| Cptn_Taylor wrote: | |
No of course not. BUT :
You can still be convicted if you plan to do a homicide but don't carry it through (and there are proofs of this of course). So your analogy is quite flawed. |
Lolicons aren't planning on committing any crimes either. |
I completely agree with you. Any normal person knows that having sex with children is wrong. I think child molestation and school shootings should not be focused on the games we play or the things we watch, but on the mental state of the accused and their past
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revolutionotaku
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:08 pm
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| Tiggyz wrote: | | I think child molestation and school shootings should not be focused on the games we play or the things we watch, but on the mental state of the accused and their past |
Loli/Shota manga & anime are far less dangerous than 30-round semi-automatic military-style assault- rifles.
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Tiggyz
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:10 pm
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| revolutionotaku wrote: |
| Tiggyz wrote: | | I think child molestation and school shootings should not be focused on the games we play or the things we watch, but on the mental state of the accused and their past |
Loli/Shota manga & anime are far less dangerous than 30-round semi-automatic military-style assault- rifles. |
I was referring to their mental state, not on how they commit the crime
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Parse Error
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:55 pm
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| Cptn_Taylor wrote: | | But the characters were adults. |
Ah, the good old "this crap didn't exist back in my day" argument. Amusing, considering that such content is actually fairly uncommon today as compared to back before Crying Freeman even existed.
| Cptn_Taylor wrote: | | Japan put your house in order and make it illegal for lolicon and shotacon to be produced. |
"I don't like it so it needs to be banned!" Should you really be admonishing otaku to grow up?
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Stall_19
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:47 pm
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While Lolicon is vile and disgusting and I wish it didn't exist in any form, people should not get arrested over something entirely fictional.
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ailblentyn
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:50 pm
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| rederoin wrote: | | Why should people be forced to lead natural sex lives? |
This gets my vote for the wisest and sanest comment in this thread.
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