Forum - View topicIf a series is shown edited can it be shown unedited later?
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Emerje
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Or less edited anyway. Here's the thing, a guy told me that once a series is shown edited a network can't go back and show a less edited or unedited version later. Basicly he said that the networks are only given one copy of a series for them to do what they want with. If they edit it then that's all they've got, they're stuck with it. That you can add edits, but you can't take them away, therefore once an edit is show they can't go back and show it unedited later.
Now, this doesn't make a lot of sence to me, it seems like a network would be given a master version of the series and then make edits to copies of it, not to the master. This way if they show a heavily edited show they can show a less edited version later if they choose to. Unfortunatly what he said does seem believable if you use Cartoon Network as an example. CN started by showing an edited version of Yu Yu Hakusho on Adult Swim and then a more edited version on Toonami. Now it seems we'll never see YYH on AS again becuase if this is true it would mean they no longer have the AS edit available. This would also explaine why a series like Outlaw Star wouldn't be reedited for Adult Swim, rather than using the Toonami edit. This could be true also for why we won't see Kenshin on AS, if they only have their Toonami edit available then they aren't capable of making another edit. The only thing I can think of that doesn't follow this is Big O which is the only series that I know of that was shown edited on Toonami and then unedited on Adult Swim. I guess they could have repurchased the rights from Bandai to do this. So to be more specific, is Cartoon Network being cheap by not showing less edits on AS for series that have had heavy Toonami edits, or is it completely out of their power? Emerje (and note, I'm not bashing Cartoon Network or any one else here, I'm just looking for a logical answer.) |
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Kalium
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Perhaps it's along the lines of their liscense to use the edited version. Chances are, in that case, that they are free to make as many or as few edits as they please, but they can't restore the footage that was cut out originally.
Bear in mind that this is just my extrapolation, here. |
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space clam
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Emerje brings up a cojent point. It IS expensive to do these edits. However, if they were given the edited version, it would make more sense to make a copy of that, then edit the copy more as needed, assuming they have the right to do so. I had heard that CN was going to let the companies do the editing, but I don't know what happened to that. After that little interpolation, one must wonder: If CN no longer lets the companies do the editing, why not buy the uncut and edit from there? I have nothing really against editing for TV; I think it's good since many parents do not bother to examine what little Johnny is watching. I just bugged by inconsistency in edit. I mean, how hard can it be to just paint blood brown like mud?(Like when "The Patriot" showed on ABC)
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Nagisa
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Gundam Wing was shown simultaneously on Toonami in an edited form, and on Toonami Midnight Run in an unedited form. Given that was only their first big anime property after DBZ, one would think they wouldn't want to make such a financial risk as to purchase the rights to the same show twice, so they had to have had one master to make copies of.
I think the reason Outlaw Star and Tenchi Muyo! ran on Adult Swim edited was because Cartoon Network was essentially desperate to fill that whole anime programming block, but didn't have the time/budget/energy/field mice to go back and scale down the amount of edits to the shows (unless I'm mistaken, both programs had content that wouldn't even fly on Adult Swim -- Tenchi Muyo!'s nudity, for example). |
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Tiresias
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From what I understand, when they aquire the rights to a show, they aquire the rights to the complete and unedited version. It's just that in order for many networks out there to air the show at the timeslot they want, they have to do a little editing to make it acceptable/proper time length. But they do still have the rights to the original unedited version. As Nagisa pointed out, this happened with Gundam Wing, they showed the edited version in the afternoon animation block, and then the unedited version during Midnight Run.
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herbkir
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I recall reading somewhere (can't find the reference now) that it takes almost as much time and work to reverse-edit an anime as it did to edit the show for TV in the first place. If that's the case, then reverse edits wouldn't be done except on shows where there is huge demand or extra business opportunities exist for the uncut version. That might explain why Cartoon Network reverse-edited Big O for Adult Swim while other anime aren't restored. (^_*)
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Delthayre
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The Big O wasn't restored, CN lost the rights and had to buy the series again. As a result, they got new, unaltered, tapes, which they used for the uncut run and probably will continue to use.
For whatever reason, editing on CN is a one-way process. Once the tapes are altered, it's either impossible or impracticably expensive to restore them. Gundam Wing does throw a wrench into that, although it is theoretically possible that procedure has, for whatever reason, changed since it aired. |
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okendri
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From what I've read is that due to the contract CN signs they can't make copies of the masters and the edits are placed on them. If I remember right, Bandai released two different versions of Gundam Wing, so that could explain why CN had two different versions on.
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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Gundam Wing's unedited run does make things difficult to determine, but let's look at a few of GW's key points.
At the time, it WAS Cartoon Network's hottest property. At the time, the Midnight Run/Adult Swim block hadn't been firmly established. At the time, Cartoon Network was still very unsure as to what they could and could not show. Gundam Wing, even un-edited, is quite tame when compared to Cowboy Bebop or even 08th MS Team or 0083:Stardust Memories. But it was a crucial foot-in-the-door for looser standards for anime editing. Now, on the topic at hand, we first need a property hot enough to guarantee huge ratings (across the board, not just with fans) and great merchandising potential. There has to be sufficient enthusiasm for the series AT Cartoon Network (as there was for FLCL) and the editable content has to be shallow enough that fans won't b*tch up one side and down the other, yet important enough to justify undoing the cut. Finally, the series would need to be a shorter series that could be rebroadcast quickly to get good turn around. Basically, it can be done if the series itself justifies it. |
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VOX
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I'm not sure where you got your info from, but I'm sure some of it is untrue. Though I don't know the specifics, or whether or not CN had to buy back the Big O, I can say for certain that CN would NEVER alter their only master for any reason. The way it usually works is that CN would recieve a fully unedited master copy (or possibly even copies) from a company. CN would then do the editing themselves BUT the master copy is never physically altered. All the editing is done digitally. For them to not be able to go back to the unedited version after it is edited, they would have to physically alter the master tape (as in cut with a pair of scissors). The airing of Gundam Wing proves this, and I'm pretty sure Big O was handled in the same way. CN now wants the companies to do the editing themselves because editing becomes a very expensive process (especially when you have to digitally paint bikinis into every other scene) but CN also recieves the unedited version as well. I highly doubt that CN would buy the rights to ONLY the edited version (especially now that Adult Swim is around) and there is no reason for a company to want to sell them that way anyway. I hope that helps you guys out.  [/b]
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rage-demon
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Sorry in advance if I’m being a clueless airhead
 , but I don't see that a network like CN would permanently edit their only master. After all, they are able to make commercials without any problem. I know that they took clips from Big O, DBZ, Gundam Wing, Outlaw Star, etc. and made a couple Toonami "music videos". They were able to copy those clips and paste them together without any problem. So why couldn't they copy the master and then make edits to the copy(s). After all, what if someone made a mistake while editing an episode? They would have to be able to undo it some way otherwise they would have to request and purchase another copy and re-edit it all over again.
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Shorty22
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When Adult Swim was first established and they threw on Tenchi Muyo & Outlaw Star, they also threw on Gundam 0800 (or some Gundam series...) and I had heard (no clue where) that they had put back the cut scenes.
Anyway, what I wanted to say is that I think that once they edit something, that's it. It's not going to be 'unedited' for a late run. They originally edit something for a certain audience. Yu Yu Hakusho was originally on AS, but apparently they thought that they could get an audience with it in Toonami. I would have to say that YYH found a new home there despite being more work. I realize that Gundam Wing and even Big O contradict my statement, but I feel that Toonami & AS have gotten into a 'groove' now and it'll be staying this way for awhile. Look at Kenshin. They thought it could have a Toonami audience, but they ended up getting an older demographic than they expected. Instead of dropping it to Adult Swim, they moved it to Saturday, with the same level of editting and a later time. Gone for their 6-11 audience, edited for the tweens that stay up, and available for their older audience. Also, Cartoon Network does not edit all their properties themselves. I believe that Blue Gender, for example, was edited by Funimation and then given to CN. ... Maybe if something is aired on Toonami, then put on Adult Swim, people will think that it's the same thing and allow their kids to watch/record it, not realizing the difference. Or perhaps, they will throw a hissy fit that CN allowed adult material on Toonami while they weren't looking. 
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okendri
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0083 was the gundam show that premiered on AS. They all retained the Y-7 edits that were made for toonami. Big O was reacquired since the rights to it had expired. Wing had two version made when they found it was going to be on CN.
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arxane
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Actually according to Kyle Pope's interview with Jason Demarco, Sr., the folks at Williams Street did edit some of the edited stuff in "Gundam 0083" back in...on their own time, meaning they didn't get a dime for the work. The series was still mostly edited to TV-Y7 standards, but at least they tried to compensate in some small way. Of course, I never really considered "Gundam 0083" (or the rest of the TV-Y7 anime shows) a real part of Adult Swim, anyway. They were simply there for filler until CN could get some real shows. |
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rage-demon
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Wasn't Dragon Ball/Z shown unedited on AS while it was also running edited on Toonami?
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