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TraptedMind



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:41 pm Reply with quote
I've always thought of getting into the gundam animes but seeing how many there are, i just put it off.
my question is, do i need to watch every gundam from start to finish like with dragon balls?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:33 pm Reply with quote
TraptedMind wrote:
I've always thought of getting into the gundam animes but seeing how many there are, i just put it off.
my question is, do i need to watch every gundam from start to finish like with dragon balls?

No. There are multiple timelines and spinoffs where not all of them relate to each other. Read this post for an explanation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:34 pm Reply with quote
No, because gundam series are not directly connected to each other:

Universal Century:
Gundam 0079, 08th MS Team, 0080, 0083, Zeta, ZZ, Char's Counterattack, F91, Victory

After Colony:
Gundam Wing
Mobile Suit Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz

After War:
Gundam X

Correct Century:
Turn-A Gundam

Future Century:
G Gundam

Cosmic Era:
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed
Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:40 pm Reply with quote
Tony K. wrote:
No. There are multiple timelines and spinoffs where not all of them relate to each other. Read this post for an explanation.


Wait, I need to update that...

I wrote:
Anyway, the Gundam universe is comprised of six separate alternate universes that operate almost entirely independent from one-another, and you do not need to have seen one to understand the other. The main one, in which the majority of Gundam anime take place, is called the Universal Century, and naturally is the setting of the original Gundam series, as well. The other five alternate universes independent of the UC are typically only comprised of one, maybe two series at the most, and as stated, do not necessarily require viewing UC Gundam to understand, as one does not have any impact on the other.

For ease of reference, I've jotted down most of the current Gundam anime, organised by timeline, as well as their chronological order within that timeline. The numbers in parenthesis are the years they were produced, followed by the starting years they take place within the timeline.

Universal Century

Main Timeline
The main timeline is basically the central chronology of events within the Universal Century. It's the core part of this timeline, directed entirely by Yoshiyuki Tomino and for the most part, following many of Gundam's most key characters, such as Amuro Ray, Char Aznable, & Kamille Bidan.

Mobile Suit Gundam (1979, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (1985, UC0087)
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ (1986, UC0088)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack (1988, UC0093)
Mobile Suit Gundam F91 (1991, UC0123)
Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (1993, UC0153)

Sidestories
The sidestories to the Universal Century are essentially what take place during the early wars of the series, away from the events of the main timeline. They are not essential to understanding what goes on in the main story, but help to further flesh out events happening elsewhere.

Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: The Hidden One-Year War (2004, Jan. UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam MS IGLOO: Apocalypse 0079 (2006, Dec. UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team (1995, circa Oct. UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket (1989, Dec. UC00079)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory (1991, UC0083)

Future Century
Mobile Fighter G Gundam (1994, FC60)

After Colony
New MS Report Gundam Wing (1995, AC195)
New MS Report Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz (1997, AC196)

After War
After War Gundam X (1996, AW0015)

Correct Century
Turn-A Gundam (1999, CC2345)

Cosmic Era
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED (2002, C.E.71)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny (2004, C.E.73)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED C.E.73: Stargazer (2006, C.E.73)

Compilations
Compilations are essentially retellings of prior Gundam stories that compress the events into a shorter digest form, in order to spare fans from having to down an entire 50-something episode series, provide an alternate viewpoint on the story, throw in a few extra scenes, make an extra buck, etc. Some of them, like the Mobile Suit Gundam trilogy and 08th MS Team's Miller's Report, turn out quite well, while others, like Gundam SEED's Special Editions and Gundam 0083's The Last Blitz of Zeon, leave a little bit of something to be desired.

Mobile Suit Gundam I (1981, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam II: Soldiers of Sorrow (1981, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space (1982, UC0079)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: The Last Blitz of Zeon (1992, UC0083)
New MS Report Gundam Wing: Operation Meteor (1996, AC195)
New MS Report Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz Special Edition (1998, AC196)
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team: Miller's Report (1998, UC0079)
Turn-A Gundam I: Earth Light (2002, CC2345)
Turn-A Gundam II: Moonlight Butterfly (2002, CC2345)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Special Edition (2003, C.E.71)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny -EDITED- (2005, C.E.73)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny Final Plus: The Chosen Future (2005, C.E.74)
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny: Special Edition (2006, C.E.73)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam I: Heirs to the Stars (2005, UC0087)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam II: Lovers (2005, UC0087)
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam III: Love is the Pulse of the Stars (2006, UC0087)

A note on Gundam SEED Destiny -EDITED- and Gundam SEED Destiny Final Plus. -EDITED- was a special TV episode independent of the actual series meant to update newcomers to the series on what had happened in the first 15-ish episodes. It's unsure if there was only meant to be one, or if a series was planned that was later scrapped, as no more -EDITED- specials appeared since. Final Plus was an alternate 50-minute version of Destiny's last episode, released as an OVA because Destiny's TV ending was just that horrible and inconclusive.
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Sam-I-Am



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:29 pm Reply with quote
How nice of this topic to come back up, just as I was about to ask a related question....

I just recently tracked down the run of Original Gundam 0079, figuring that it would be a good place to start. After watching that, I moved on to what I thought was the next step, Char's Counterattack, and was immediately hit with lots of references to Char and Amuro's relationship in the ten years or so since the end of 0079. Did I make a grave story continuity error by not realizing that Zeta and ZZ came between? Will watching those provide information on what Amuro and Char were up to during the elapsed years?

Also, what the heck happened at the end of Counterattack? spoiler[Did Amuro vaporize himself to create enough force to deflect the asteroid?]
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:44 pm Reply with quote
Sam-I-Am wrote:


I just recently tracked down the run of Original Gundam 0079, figuring that it would be a good place to start. After watching that, I moved on to what I thought was the next step, Char's Counterattack, and was immediately hit with lots of references to Char and Amuro's relationship in the ten years or so since the end of 0079. Did I make a grave story continuity error by not realizing that Zeta and ZZ came between? Will watching those provide information on what Amuro and Char were up to during the elapsed years?


Zeta is the important one to watch as Char is a major character throughout the series and Amuro is involved here and there as well. As far as I know, ZZ really only sets up the political situaion seen in CCA. I don't think either Char or Amuro show up at all.

Fortunately, Zeta shouldn't be too hard to obtain. ZZ has yet to be released in the U.S., though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:47 am Reply with quote
Sam-I-Am wrote:
Did I make a grave story continuity error by not realizing that Zeta and ZZ came between? Will watching those provide information on what Amuro and Char were up to during the elapsed years?


Zeta will. Double Zeta won't. Double Zeta really should've, though, since there was still a pretty large leap in logic that had to be made in order to get from Char at the end of Zeta to Char at the start of Char's Counterattack. I don't care how Tomino zealots try to rationalize it, there's a massive gap between spoiler[a fairly stable thought slightly embittered] Char at the end of Zeta, and spoiler[a hopelessly irrational and manical mass murdering] Char at the start of Char's Counterattack.

Sam-I-Am wrote:
Also, what the heck happened at the end of Counterattack? spoiler[Did Amuro vaporize himself to create enough force to deflect the asteroid?]


Basically, spoiler[Amuro pushed the Nu Gundam too far, and the Psycoframe malfunctioned with all the grunt pilots around him thinking the same thing and overloading it with thought power until it exploded.]
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:57 am Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
Sam-I-Am wrote:
Did I make a grave story continuity error by not realizing that Zeta and ZZ came between? Will watching those provide information on what Amuro and Char were up to during the elapsed years?


Zeta will. Double Zeta won't. Double Zeta really should've, though, since there was still a pretty large leap in logic that had to be made in order to get from Char at the end of Zeta to Char at the start of Char's Counterattack. I don't care how Tomino zealots try to rationalize it, there's a massive gap between spoiler[a fairly stable thought slightly embittered] Char at the end of Zeta, and spoiler[a hopelessly irrational and manical mass murdering] Char at the start of Char's Counterattack..[/spoiler]


You're very wrong. There is no dramatic change in the personality of Char Aznable between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. His motives are exactly the same - to pave the way for the future of humanity by getting people, whose "souls are weighed down by gravity", to live in space.

However, he's much more extreme in his methods than he was previously - probably due to the outcome of the first Neo Zeon war. There's nothing "hopelessly irrational" or "maniacal" about him, though. He has decided that before more wars break out, he has to change humanity, whether they like it or not. And it might've happened, too - but as Amuro pointed out, Char was being too impatient.

It doesn't take a "Tomino zealot" (which, if there are, I'm probably one, but whatever) to make the leap in logic, and I don't appreciate the insulting connotation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:56 am Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
His motives are exactly the same - to pave the way for the future of humanity by getting people, whose "souls are weighed down by gravity", to live in space.


His motives are the same, but there's still a leap between his somewhat more hopeful words in Dakar and in the theater at the end of Zeta and his "rawr kill them all!" dropping spree in Char's Counterattack. At the very least, we needed some sort of transition between his passive and fanatically active approaches.

penguintruth wrote:
probably due to the outcome of the first Neo Zeon war.


But we don't see that, which is precisely my problem. If we were meant to be shown the rise and fall of a political radical, then we need to see his rise and every major step along the way. But we're missing that step where he goes from reasonably passive and cautiously optimistic to outright radical. We're not even shown where he amassed his forces from in the first place, they just pop up out of nowhere. That's a gap that needed to be filled, and it wasn't.

penguintruth wrote:
There's nothing "hopelessly irrational" or "maniacal" about him, though. He has decided that before more wars break out, he has to change humanity, whether they like it or not.


He wasn't changing humanity, though. His actions weren't affecting the people in space that, in his mind, had the chance to evolve, he was simply wholesale murdering everybody else without giving them much of a chance to hear him out.

"Remember that thing I kinda sorta hinted at in Dakar when you all were more pre-occupied with two mass-murdering political bodies bearing down on you? No? Too bad, I'm not repeating it and I'm killing you all anyway."

That's pretty irrational and insane.

penguintruth wrote:
And it might've happened, too


No it wouldn't, as the Crossbone and Victory eras showed Newtypes on a natural decline, even as humanity continued to migrate further from Earth.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:39 am Reply with quote
It's true - there is a bit of a leap between his cautious optimism at the end of Zeta and his outright extremist tactics in Char's Counterattack, but given the knowledge of the events of ZZ (which originally Char was to have been in, to combat Haman instead of Glemy Toto), it's probably not the huge leap you make it out to be. CCA isn't perfect, but I still think given knowledge of Char, it doesn't come off as being too outlandish, at least to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:06 am Reply with quote
And perhaps it's not, but it's still a transition that needed to be seen. Some things are fine being left off-screen and inferred, but they're things meant to be vague in the first place. This transition was not vague, it was very apparent, and so to leave it unaccounted for is a rather unfortunate failing in the storytelling that results in Char's character development seeming decidedly awkward and lacking between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. The exact point Char lost faith in humanity, the methods he used to acquire his forces, these things can't simply be shrugged off without being detrimental to the story, not to mention it would've tremendously aided in building sympathy and intrigue for his character.

Personally, I think having Char stay in Double Zeta in order to off Haman and usurp her forces would've greatly benefitted both Double Zeta and Char's Counterattack, and would've tightened up the story a great deal. But instead, we get a pothole with crap filling it in.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:15 pm Reply with quote
Thanks I was about to get the wrong one next I will go for Z.....
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Hi,

Does anyone know if they are going to produce any more Gundam Seed Destiny after "Stargazer" and "Destiny Final Plus"? Are there plans to continue?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:20 am Reply with quote
ivorymoose wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know if they are going to produce any more Gundam Seed Destiny after "Stargazer" and "Destiny Final Plus"? Are there plans to continue?


I believe so assuming that this is a new part to the series. But then again it could be just one of those movie where they fix the ending to the story......and I am always suspect of Gundam movies.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:03 am Reply with quote
There is supposed to be a movie coming out at some point which will probably (hopefully) wrap up the CE timeline or at least the whole Kira/Athrun/Shinn thing. But who knows if/when it will come to pass since there has been little to no information on it.
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