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TraptedMind
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I've always thought of getting into the gundam animes but seeing how many there are, i just put it off.
my question is, do i need to watch every gundam from start to finish like with dragon balls? |
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Tony K.
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No. There are multiple timelines and spinoffs where not all of them relate to each other. Read this post for an explanation. |
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Aylinn
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No, because gundam series are not directly connected to each other:
Universal Century: Gundam 0079, 08th MS Team, 0080, 0083, Zeta, ZZ, Char's Counterattack, F91, Victory After Colony: Gundam Wing Mobile Suit Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz After War: Gundam X Correct Century: Turn-A Gundam Future Century: G Gundam Cosmic Era: Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny |
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Nagisa
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Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
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Wait, I need to update that...
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Sam-I-Am
Posts: 121 Location: Midwest US |
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How nice of this topic to come back up, just as I was about to ask a related question....
I just recently tracked down the run of Original Gundam 0079, figuring that it would be a good place to start. After watching that, I moved on to what I thought was the next step, Char's Counterattack, and was immediately hit with lots of references to Char and Amuro's relationship in the ten years or so since the end of 0079. Did I make a grave story continuity error by not realizing that Zeta and ZZ came between? Will watching those provide information on what Amuro and Char were up to during the elapsed years? Also, what the heck happened at the end of Counterattack? spoiler[Did Amuro vaporize himself to create enough force to deflect the asteroid?] |
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HitokiriShadow
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Zeta is the important one to watch as Char is a major character throughout the series and Amuro is involved here and there as well. As far as I know, ZZ really only sets up the political situaion seen in CCA. I don't think either Char or Amuro show up at all. Fortunately, Zeta shouldn't be too hard to obtain. ZZ has yet to be released in the U.S., though. |
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Nagisa
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Zeta will. Double Zeta won't. Double Zeta really should've, though, since there was still a pretty large leap in logic that had to be made in order to get from Char at the end of Zeta to Char at the start of Char's Counterattack. I don't care how Tomino zealots try to rationalize it, there's a massive gap between spoiler[a fairly stable thought slightly embittered] Char at the end of Zeta, and spoiler[a hopelessly irrational and manical mass murdering] Char at the start of Char's Counterattack.
Basically, spoiler[Amuro pushed the Nu Gundam too far, and the Psycoframe malfunctioned with all the grunt pilots around him thinking the same thing and overloading it with thought power until it exploded.] |
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penguintruth
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You're very wrong. There is no dramatic change in the personality of Char Aznable between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. His motives are exactly the same - to pave the way for the future of humanity by getting people, whose "souls are weighed down by gravity", to live in space. However, he's much more extreme in his methods than he was previously - probably due to the outcome of the first Neo Zeon war. There's nothing "hopelessly irrational" or "maniacal" about him, though. He has decided that before more wars break out, he has to change humanity, whether they like it or not. And it might've happened, too - but as Amuro pointed out, Char was being too impatient. It doesn't take a "Tomino zealot" (which, if there are, I'm probably one, but whatever) to make the leap in logic, and I don't appreciate the insulting connotation. |
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Nagisa
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His motives are the same, but there's still a leap between his somewhat more hopeful words in Dakar and in the theater at the end of Zeta and his "rawr kill them all!" dropping spree in Char's Counterattack. At the very least, we needed some sort of transition between his passive and fanatically active approaches.
But we don't see that, which is precisely my problem. If we were meant to be shown the rise and fall of a political radical, then we need to see his rise and every major step along the way. But we're missing that step where he goes from reasonably passive and cautiously optimistic to outright radical. We're not even shown where he amassed his forces from in the first place, they just pop up out of nowhere. That's a gap that needed to be filled, and it wasn't.
He wasn't changing humanity, though. His actions weren't affecting the people in space that, in his mind, had the chance to evolve, he was simply wholesale murdering everybody else without giving them much of a chance to hear him out. "Remember that thing I kinda sorta hinted at in Dakar when you all were more pre-occupied with two mass-murdering political bodies bearing down on you? No? Too bad, I'm not repeating it and I'm killing you all anyway." That's pretty irrational and insane.
No it wouldn't, as the Crossbone and Victory eras showed Newtypes on a natural decline, even as humanity continued to migrate further from Earth. |
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penguintruth
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It's true - there is a bit of a leap between his cautious optimism at the end of Zeta and his outright extremist tactics in Char's Counterattack, but given the knowledge of the events of ZZ (which originally Char was to have been in, to combat Haman instead of Glemy Toto), it's probably not the huge leap you make it out to be. CCA isn't perfect, but I still think given knowledge of Char, it doesn't come off as being too outlandish, at least to me.
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Nagisa
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And perhaps it's not, but it's still a transition that needed to be seen. Some things are fine being left off-screen and inferred, but they're things meant to be vague in the first place. This transition was not vague, it was very apparent, and so to leave it unaccounted for is a rather unfortunate failing in the storytelling that results in Char's character development seeming decidedly awkward and lacking between Zeta and Char's Counterattack. The exact point Char lost faith in humanity, the methods he used to acquire his forces, these things can't simply be shrugged off without being detrimental to the story, not to mention it would've tremendously aided in building sympathy and intrigue for his character.
Personally, I think having Char stay in Double Zeta in order to off Haman and usurp her forces would've greatly benefitted both Double Zeta and Char's Counterattack, and would've tightened up the story a great deal. But instead, we get a pothole with crap filling it in. |
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HarlockJC
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Thanks I was about to get the wrong one next I will go for Z.....
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ivorymoose
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Hi,
Does anyone know if they are going to produce any more Gundam Seed Destiny after "Stargazer" and "Destiny Final Plus"? Are there plans to continue? |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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I believe so assuming that this is a new part to the series. But then again it could be just one of those movie where they fix the ending to the story......and I am always suspect of Gundam movies. |
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HitokiriShadow
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There is supposed to be a movie coming out at some point which will probably (hopefully) wrap up the CE timeline or at least the whole Kira/Athrun/Shinn thing. But who knows if/when it will come to pass since there has been little to no information on it.
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