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jmays
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Is anybody else sick of these arguments of quality by medium? Since when can you be an anime fan without being open to alternative styles? And if somebody would like to explain why Korean comics are by definition inferior to Japanese ones, I'd love to hear it. |
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shirokiryuu
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I'm generally open and i don't mind seeing english language or manhwa being reviewed... but i still have yet to find a manhwa that can totally take me away like some manga i've read (i feel that some manhwa is better than some mangas i've read)
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Keonyn
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Anything has the potential be great and the potential to flat out suck. I determine that on an individual basis and not by the medium or genre or culture it resides in.
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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I think you could make a good case that the best manga today is better than most (or even all) manwha. It's just when people insist that any manga is better than all manwha that I have to shake my head at the ignorance (and irony). |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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exactly! i've read demon diary and enjoyed it! it wasn't as good as some manga masterpieces, but it made me laugh and it was much better then some messes of mangas i've read (i won't mention their names because i want to be nice ^^) It also goes along with that hatred a lot of anime fans have against american "anime"... i myself haven't seen any to say anything, but just a general statement.. |
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darkhunter
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Arnt' you like 12? How many manhwa have you read in your lifetime compare to manhwa? There are more manga available out there. There are more people creating manga and manga is very big in Japn. It's obvious that manga pregression has advance greatly there too. But that doesn't mean there are poor manhwa. One needs to look at what Hyun Se-Lee did (Nambul, Mythology of the Heaven, Hard Boiled Angel), and his influence, even in Japan. Hyun Se-Lee's work are some of the most prolific title I've read. Then there's Priest which I consider that a lot better than something like Hellsing and I've read tons of manga and manhwa . Ragnarok is also an excellent "fantasy RPG-ish" series that rival Record of Lodoss War. In the shojo department, I'm truely enjoying Soul to Seoul and I consider it one of my favorite shoujo to date. Of course a lot of manhwa don't get as much exposure as anime, and many people read like 2 or 3 manhwa title and consider all manhwa crap. Of course there are a lot of good comic from Japan, but that doesn't mean there arn't good stuff outside of Japan. There a lot of people that also think Manga is superior to Comic too, but they tend to group comic into superhero only and never read something like Maus. Then there are comic fan that read like 2 or 3 manga and classfied them all as dragonball or sailor moon crap, the ignorance will never stop. |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
Posts: 1390 Location: St. Louis, MO |
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Woah now, nobody's disagreeing with you (at least, not in this thread, though I do hope Treeloot will join us). Of course manwha is at a disadvantage becuause it's underexposed. That's why the good stuff should be reviewed at a place like ANN, where you would expect people (not including Treeloot) to be curious enough to try it. |
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TranceLimit174
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As far as manga vs. manwha, maybe it's just me but I don't think manwha has had enough time to come into it's own. Granted, I've haven't read very much manwha, I've basically skimmed and read some of a few titles. But from my experience, manwha is too linear. All of the titles I have come across either revolve around Kung Fu and/or the typical feudal era of China (I understand that it is a rich history and naturally it would be used for manwha, but that is all I see and nothing else) or just a standard shoujou title that isn't really any different from a manga title of the same genre. So based on my experience (while I'll admit is limited) I have only seen these two genres, and neither is told particularly well. What I read (sorry but I can't remember particular titles) was very linear. The storytelling wasn't unique or unconventional. Just A B C with no inbetween and not leaving much for the viewer to figure out. Maybe it's because this art form is very new in China, but they seem to be very weak when it comes to creating comics, as manwha doesn't try to distinguish itself beyond the fact that it's Chinese. Maybe it will improve over time but for now nothing draws me to it over manga.
As for anime vs. live action, for some reason to me anime can be much more graphic than live action. With anime, it seems to be much easier to emphasize any form of content (through the use of general art techniques like line strokes and shading). I remember a very long time ago, there was a special titled "Animation, Anime, and Spawn" where they said, and I believe I'm remembering this correctly, that some anime can and have reached a point that is realer than life itself. I personally find some truth in that. Also live action isn't quite as diverse (I don't see much of a giant robot genre). Live action gives way to stories closer to reality, which don't get me wrong is just fine and great every once in a while, but my opinion is that I live in reality. I have a life, I talk to people and get to hear all kinds of stories. And with friends I get to hear and experience drama. So when it comes to my entertainment, I like to see things that are fantasmatical if you will, beyond reality. Having drama is all well and good, but add something else in there that can't be done in reality. Throw in robots, incredible powers, whatever. For me it makes things more compelling and enhances existing issues that may come up in any drama in a TV series or movie. Now that's not to say that I'm closed minded and believe that anime is truly the supreme art form and all others be damned. I love anime and the whole style speaks to me, but that doesn't count out other forms of art such as live action or manwha. There is a lot of live action I love, and as far as manwha maybe a title will come along someday that I will enjoy. But for me anime just fills in many gaps left by live action, and manwha at this point does not offer anything that manga doesn't so far (at least for me). |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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i admit not many... ^^; but i never said that i hated manhwa or they're not good enough... i'm just saying that out of the titles i've read, i still haven't found a title that totally amazed me when i read it and for me to create some sort of crazed fandom about it.... But i also said i think they are good, and sometimes even better than some mangas i've read. argh, i'm still confused why you're mad at me! 
i'm just saying in my personal experience i have still to find a manhwa that outscores any manga i've read. oh, and btw, i'm 14... |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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Also, for live action vs. anime
i believe that films that can be done live actioned should be left that way, like sometimes trying to be very realistic. Somtimes when people try using animation in general to look as realistic as possible it can just make it plain creepy (like the Polar Express) while live action is probably cheaper and easier to handle, animation has more flexiblity and can show many things you can't in live action. Some for comedic purposes (SD's, sweat drops, expressions) also for abstract ideas that would otherwise look unattached if put with live action... but also in the west side of the world, people don't take animation as seriously as it deserves, so for mature themes it may not attract as much as something live actioned (no matter how good it is..) |
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DemonEyesLeo
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I understand people's arguments, but I do think they should have a more open mind towards the different mediums. And to get pissed off at it is rather pointless; I mean it's all entertainment. I don't mind what's reviewed, whether it's manhwa, live-action, a book related to anime, or even a video game that's related to anime; it gives more varity to what's put on this site than just anime and manga.
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milcor1
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This is a pretty moot topic, those who snub their nose against live-action or manhwa are probably just close minded individuals who probably have a freakish obsession with anything Japanese and it's their fault if they miss out on anything so who cares?
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Crazy Battousai
 Posts: 25 Location: Chester,MD (Eastern Shore Middle O Nowhere) |
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shirokiryuu wrote:
Yeah that is so true most people still animation as still as some saturday cartoon thing or childrens movie. Live-Action vs. Anime In my opinion anime has better story plots and more developed characters then alotta American action live-action movies at least. Maybe some mystery movies can probably compeat but for the other genres for example especially action movies whitch has no other element than crap being blown up and crappy storylines. With anime like that employs other elements without losing its origion intent (if anyone understands that -_-). In the case of Manga vs. Manwah I haven't really read any Manwah to coment. Other than Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon which I think the Manwah was better than the movie LOL. But to critisize ( don't if I spelled it right =/) someone if you do not disagree with a certain genre. Yes this is an Anime/ Manga site but it doesn't mean that they are not allowed to showcase other things. Jus my two cents. 
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marie-antoinette
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I haven't read much manwah, actually only one volume of the Queen's Knight, but that I found to be quite good and if that series wasn't so long and if I wasn't collecting a fair number of other series, I would probably buy more. It was enjoyable and an interesting story.
I've seen a bit more live-action and I really like what I have seen. Mainly the live action adapation of Mars. It was really good, for the most part, and actually held the storyline together better in places than the original manga. I also find with live action that it's easier to see the characters as real, because they are real people. This is not to say that anime characters can't feel real, it's just not as easy. The other live action I've seen, Sailor Moon, definitely made the inner senshi seem more like real characters and less like charicatures, which they can at moments in the anime (admittedly, I've only seen 2 full seaons of the anime, S and Stars, and thus I haven't seen the inner senshi's main character development in the first 2 seasons). Some things are probably not suited to live action, but other things aren't necessarily suited to anime. I would say Mars is one of those, because it has some pacing issues at times and the live action was able to deal with those very well. Plus, as already said, the characters always felt 100% real, more so than they did in the manga, as I realized when I saw the live action character of Masao (though of course, names were changed, but that's okay, they were kept as close as possible I think). To sum things up: anime is not necessarily better than live action, the opposite is also not true. Same with manga and manwah. |
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Lapsus
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Anime VS. live-action:
I hold my opinion absolutely objective (Anime Rulz  ), so Anime can portray much of what Camera cannot - lots of gory acton or space sagas.. well, got the point - something very expensive and/or impossible to film.
Whilst it loses on realism and nuances (what makes Animes weaknes to become it`s strenght) Live-action is due actors - someone with own feelings and interpretation, own expresions and attitude. Better for little things and sweet emotional scenes, if played right. (I guess its Lives problem, sometimes acting and Actors are just Wack  )
Sor, but I haven't read much of Mangas, and.. um.. eh.. What is Manwha?? (|-( Anyhow - morale is simple: You dont use Atom bomb to stun a bug and dont use a combine to till your backyard. All things have their respective use, and it is rather foolish to compare one thing to another 
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