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Mr.Sp31gl3
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As some of you may not have been aware of, Cowboy Bebop: The movie was originaly named "Cowboy Bebop: Knowckin on Heavens Door"!
I do not understand the American Companies apperant obsession with changing things about widely sold and advertised movies and shows from Japan to make it more "acceptable" <cough>marketable</cough> to the american public! What was wrong with the original name!? Well all im sayin is Cowboy Bebop:The Movie is a little unimaginative and unoriginal for a series namesake that is known for its originality and unique style. "The movie" is a little remminisant of "Pokemon:The movie" or "Rugrats:The movie" it off sets the face value of the deep story within this filmed art piece. We witnessed the same tragedy with the original Japanese version of "The Ring", cursed with the terrible romanization ot "Ringu"!  This is what most offends me about the idea of popularization and so called "Americanization" of anime! When the licence is bought by an american company they recive a basic, yet i acknowledge, limmited right to change the product as they see nessacery or acceptable.
You see, American companies dont see anime as the art work that it is, they dont realize the potantcy and value of this beloved art form. they see a gradual rise in the demand and fanbase for anime and alike Japanese products, and from this they conceed an opportunity to make money! So they change it without regaurd. I dont know mabey im just frustrated and needed to vent, and ill probably look back on this post and feel i went a little over board. So please dont flame me if you dont agree, though conversation is well welcome, as is contradiction. I only mean to offend the T.V. networks and the C.O.'s responsable for the crap passed along as entertainment these days! Last edited by Mr.Sp31gl3 on Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tenchi
 Posts: 4556 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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Answer: They didn't want to hear from the lawyers of Bob Dylan and/or whichever conglomerate owns the rights to the song "Knocking on Heaven's Door".
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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It was a copyright issue. Don't be so paranoid. Who cares if it was once called 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door'? Does that have any bearing on the film itself? Any whatsoever? None. The film stands on its own. There is no reason to moan about it.
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JELEINEN
 Posts: 253 Location: Iowa |
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Song titles aren't copyrightable. Witness the number of songs entitled "One" or "Lady." The real reason is that there is already a movie with the title "Knockin' On Heaven's Door." You can find it if you search the IMDB. |
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Emerje
 Posts: 7427 Location: Maine |
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As far as the title change for CB goes I think it was more of a marketing strategy. CBKOHD is a long title for any movie, even the Japanese title was shorter, so they shortened it up to simply "the Movie". But in reality, it's minor, it's just a title and has no effect on the movie itself.
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Toubib
 Posts: 55 Location: Tampa, FL |
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While I agree that in this case the change of the title was valid and doesn't really affect the movie, I don't think we can minimize the value in a title change. Just look at Ninja Scroll: Resurection. If I'm not mistaken that wasn't the original name for the 2 OVA's but look how much it boasted sells for those tapes. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10468 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Actually, to some extent, they are. "One" and "Lady" are common words, "Knocking on Heavens Door" is a unique phrase created as the title of a song. It's quite possible that a jusge would have permitted Sony to use the title, but that would have only been after various legal headaches and probably a temporary court order telling Sony not to use teh name till the edn of the lawsuit. Witness Spike Lee's absolutely retarded lawsuit against Spike TV. It's not even a phrase, just one word, a common noun at that. Obviously Lee is going o lose (I damn well hope he will), but in the meantime he's giving Viacom a really big headache. So Sony made a wise decision and said, "A name isn't worth the trouble it could get us into." |
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Risky
Posts: 11 Location: Canada |
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That, and the cover looks terrible as usual, at least compared to my imagination of what the poorly scanned HK bootleg cover I saw at a local rental place, would look like with a nice glossy printing job and the colours intact. Nevermind title changes (though, buying a DVD that says 'Please, Teacher' in English will make me wince when I see the expression on the clerk's face), I want the original covers!
Or greater proliferation of the reversable DVD cover concept is also acceptable. |
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JELEINEN
Posts: 253 Location: Iowa |
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You're right that it was a smart choice on Sony's part. I still believe it has more to do with there being a movie already using the title than the Dylan song. |
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Steve Berry
Posts: 522 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA |
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Not to be terribly nitpicky (as I'm fine, in a general sort of way, that they changed the name), but well, "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" is what the movie is all about.
*Possible TV Show Spoilers* In terms of the continuity of the TV show-- the movie is, basically, when Spike finds his "mirror", learns from it, and decides what he's going to do in the last few episodes-- i.e. to wake up from his dream or die trying. I do think the original title had some value in the way the movie could be viewed/interpreted/applied. *End Spoilers* Thus, the movie title isn't essential, but useful in how the movie is interpreted. I'm sure, in the future, that I'll still be calling it Knockin' on Heaven's Door, even if it isn't labeled that, and that's not so bad. And yeah, I can see how the copyright issue could have become a big problem. |
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mrgazpacho
Posts: 316 Location: Australia |
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Feh. The Australian release wiped the background art totally. So we got three people standing around on a grey background (maybe it was foggy?  ). And they flipped the picture for no apparent reason.
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Mr.Sp31gl3
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Well all im sayin is Cowboy Bebop:The Movie is a little unimaginative and unoriginal for a series namesake that is known for its originality and unique style. "The movie" is a little remminisant of "Pokemon:The movie"
or "Rugrats:The movie" it off sets the face value of the deep story within this filmed art piece. |
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Emerje
Posts: 7427 Location: Maine |
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Er, there was no "Scroll", it was simply Ninja Resurection. It claimed to be the sequal to Ninja Scroll, but never said so in the title. Emerje |
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JELEINEN
Posts: 253 Location: Iowa |
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Makai Tenshou is the original title of what ADV released as Ninja Resurection.
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DevilMan
Posts: 57 Location: MN |
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I noticed that one of the songs in CB was called "Knock A Little Harder". I surprised Bob Dylan's lawyers didn't spot that one.
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