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GATSU



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:30 pm Reply with quote
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:44 pm Reply with quote
Just go to show you that anime is slowly taking over American society. THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICAN CARTOONS IS NIGH! Laughing

Except Family Guy and American Dad. In a perfect world, animation would consist of FG, AD, and anime. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:52 pm Reply with quote
Starwind Amada wrote:
Just go to show you that anime is slowly taking over American society. THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICAN CARTOONS IS NIGH! Laughing

Except Family Guy and American Dad. In a perfect world, animation would consist of FG, AD, and anime. Cool


Jees, this board can really sicken me from time to time.

Don't you ever get tired with your fanboy tirades?
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Haru to Ashura



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:35 pm Reply with quote
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and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.


Fyi The Batman animated series was made in part by overseas animators in Japan and Korea. I believe it was the same studio that later made Big O - the influence is obviously there.

Now, I'm unclear on your point.

a) If you're calling it a bastardization on anime - well guess what, it's just a fad, get over it.

b) If you're calling it a bastardization of the Warner Brothers classic cartoons, then I agree with you and sympathize. (However, I've always liked Disney's old cartoons much better than the ones by Warner Brothers, so this doesn't personally bother me that much.)

Like I said, stuff like this is really just a fad. Subject-material-wise, I greatly dislike this project. I greatly dislike this dead tactic of American marketing by making everything "new, hardcore, and extreme!!" But as for the art aespects, I at least respect the fact that they're trying to equally fuse Japanese and American animation techniques. Key word being trying - whether or not it's very sucessful, only time will tell.

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Just go to show you that anime is slowly taking over American society. THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICAN CARTOONS IS NIGH!
Except Family Guy and American Dad. In a perfect world, animation would consist of FG, AD, and anime.


Yeah, no, very no. If you got rid of other animation, animation would never have been invented and anime would not exist. No offence, but from my experience, I just have to ask: Have you ever made an intelligent post?
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Weazul-chan



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:51 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.

dude, it was early AMERICAN animation that influenced anime in the beginning and made it what it is today, so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan? Rolling Eyes
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Haru to Ashura



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:01 pm Reply with quote
Weazul-chan wrote:
GATSU wrote:
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.

dude, it was early AMERICAN animation that influenced anime in the beginning and made it what it is today, so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan? :roll:


(edited, see below post. Sorry. )

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The Frankman



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:03 pm Reply with quote
Weazul-chan wrote:
GATSU wrote:
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.

dude, it was early AMERICAN animation that influenced anime in the beginning and made it what it is today, so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan? Rolling Eyes

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GATSU



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:22 pm Reply with quote
Haru:
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Fyi The Batman animated series was made in part by overseas animators in Japan and Korea. I believe it was the same studio that later made Big O - the influence is obviously there.


Yeah, I know, but it still felt like Batman. This is just some anime with Bugs(excuse me, "Buzz") Bunny's face superimposed on it. Also, I was referring to "B".

Weazul: Because it's just appropriating the art without actually adding any creative elements to it.
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Weazul-chan



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:32 pm Reply with quote
Haru to Ashura wrote:
Weazul-chan wrote:
GATSU wrote:
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.

dude, it was early AMERICAN animation that influenced anime in the beginning and made it what it is today, so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan? Rolling Eyes


Becuase the semi-reccent surge in anime popularity can be considered a fad, and companies wants to cash in and make money.

early anime artists emulated elements of the style Disney used and Betty Boop because THOSE were popular in Japan at the time. Japanese animation is popular outside of Japan now and is influencing non-Japanese animation artists now. seriously, what is the difference?

animated shows and movies are created to make money. it doesn't matter what country they come from, that's still the goal. do you honestly think that early anime would have still been heavily influenced by early American animation if it didn't make good money like that? it wouldn't; the artists using those influences would have either gone under or have been forced to change their style in order to make the money they needed to earn to live.

most anime fans probably don't give a crap about that, but before ragging about "anime-ripoffs" one SHOULD pause to consider it.
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Haru to Ashura



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:31 pm Reply with quote
Weazul-chan wrote:
Haru to Ashura wrote:
Weazul-chan wrote:
GATSU wrote:
Seriously, I just saw the opening at http://kidswb.warnerbros.com/web/stuff/stuff_display.jsp?id=LON,
and they're not even trying to hide the anime influences like they do with Batman: The Animated Series. What an awful bastardization of a classic franchise.

dude, it was early AMERICAN animation that influenced anime in the beginning and made it what it is today, so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan? :roll:


Becuase the semi-reccent surge in anime popularity can be considered a fad, and companies wants to cash in and make money.

early anime artists emulated elements of the style Disney used and Betty Boop because THOSE were popular in Japan at the time. Japanese animation is popular outside of Japan now and is influencing non-Japanese animation artists now. seriously, what is the difference?

animated shows and movies are created to make money. it doesn't matter what country they come from, that's still the goal. do you honestly think that early anime would have still been heavily influenced by early American animation if it didn't make good money like that? it wouldn't; the artists using those influences would have either gone under or have been forced to change their style in order to make the money they needed to earn to live.

most anime fans probably don't give a crap about that, but before ragging about "anime-ripoffs" one SHOULD pause to consider it.


Excuse me, I actually misread your post. I'm sorry.

When you stated, "so why is it so bad that anime is becoming an influence in animation outside of Japan?" for some reason, my mind deleted the "so bad" part of your sentance. I thought you were just asking why this is becoming prominent in American programming. I wasn't offering an opinion of whether it's bad or good, just stating why it's become savy. My bad, I'm dumb.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:32 am Reply with quote
Weazul:
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early anime artists emulated elements of the style Disney used and Betty Boop because THOSE were popular in Japan at the time. Japanese animation is popular outside of Japan now and is influencing non-Japanese animation artists now. seriously, what is the difference?


The people who worked on anime back then were artists, not suits?

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do you honestly think that early anime would have still been heavily influenced by early American animation if it didn't make good money like that? it wouldn't; the artists using those influences would have either gone under or have been forced to change their style in order to make the money they needed to earn to live.


People liked the animation style, but they also watched it for the story-lines. When you copy styles and genres without adding any depth, you get Kill Bill.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:38 am Reply with quote
Imitation is the highest form of flattery. Like was stated, it's just WB riding the crest of the anime wave. I wouldn't mind sampling it just once to really see what it is like. But it looks like the Loony tots grown up.
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Ohoni



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:18 am Reply with quote
The Loonatics show is just horrible on every possible level. It's all horrible things in a blender converted into a horrible smoothy. Just ignore it and hope it goes away quickly.
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:00 am Reply with quote
Ohoni wrote:
Just ignore it and hope it goes away quickly.


Sorry, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

So far this season, it's the most popular cartoon on broadcast television with all of the important preteen demographics.
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MonkeyFunk



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:24 am Reply with quote
Starwind Amada wrote:
In a perfect world, animation would consist of FG, AD, and anime. Cool


Thanks for summing up everything that's wrong with anime fandom.
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