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NEWS: Wired on Anime [2005-08-30]

I honestly don't see what is so wrong about the fansubs on Naruto.

And I also disagree with the statement that fansubs are the same thing as bootlegs.

The article, being a total load of fluff, still makes one really strong point. If the companies don't want their shows being fansubbed maybe they should license it before it's 100+ episodes in... I honestly don't think any Naruto fan such as myself is going to stop watching the subs, wait a year or 2, then proceed to continue watching.

And I also disagree with the statement that fansubs are the same thing as bootlegs.

I honestly don't see what is so wrong about the fansubs on Naruto. The article, being a total load of fluff, still makes one really strong point. If the companies don't want their shows being fansubbed maybe they should license it before it's 100+ episodes in... I honestly don't think any Naruto fan such as myself is going to stop watching the subs, wait a year or 2, then proceed to continue watching. And I also disagree with the statement that fansubs are the same thing as bootlegs.

BTW, am I the only one who's never heard of Samurai Gun before?

BTW, am I the only one who's never heard of Samurai Gun before?

darkside31337 wrote:

The article, being a total load of fluff, still makes one really strong point. If the companies don't want their shows being fansubbed maybe they should license it before it's 100+ episodes in... I honestly don't think any Naruto fan such as myself is going to stop watching the subs, wait a year or 2, then proceed to continue watching.

That's not as simple as it may seem to you. Firstly, there must be an interest by the Japanese companies to license said series before it is 100+ eps in. Sometimes they want to wait and see how popular a series is, in order to drive licensing costs up. (as well as to stop reverse imports) Second, it's not like company X just calls up Japanese company Y and says, "Hey, I like that Naruto show, license it to me." Sometimes a certain US and Japanese company will have a good relationship, or the US company will invest in the series, which might give them a leg up. The truth is most of this stuff goes through a bidding process. There are numerous details to be worked out, just like any company, in any field, entering into a contract with another company must do. The process moves on from there. Scripts are written, checked, sent to Japan, reworked, etc. Sometimes the Japanese company(ies) has input into the final VA selection. Dubbing is done as well as SFX and score editing and tweaking. Marketing begins. DVDs are authored, checked, and shipped. Such things take a great amount of time. As for you not stopping watching the subs, that's your choice of course. We are in the age where most people lack the patience to wait for anything to come out, and want it all now. That's your choice, I'm well past arguing such things with people.

darkside31337 wrote:

And I also disagree with the statement that fansubs are the same thing as bootlegs.

They are not the same, in that one is free, and the other gives money soley into the hands of those who had nothing to do with the series. Further, I'm not opposed to downloading fansubs of unlicensed series at all. Once a series is licensed though, I stop. I'm patient, and there are plenty of other unlicensed series to pique my interest until the series gets released here.

I wonder where they are buying there DVDs at an average $26, but I assume they are just using MSRP.

I also think they are wrong about the DVD release being the death of Naruto sub sites. If anything I think that downloading will increase with the DVD release, as those who have not been downloading get into the series, and are looking to get the higher episodes, instead of waiting for the DVDs to catch up. We'll see how overall sales turn out though.

Not a very balanced article in my opinion on that portion of the article.

Because the article only focuses on the downloads and not on the other content.

Anime Guide
Battle Guide
Card Game
Character Biographies...

There is a whole slew of other content on that website. It could survive with that alone.

Kazuki-san wrote:

darkside31337 wrote: The article, being a total load of fluff, still makes one really strong point. If the companies don't want their shows being fansubbed maybe they should license it before it's 100+ episodes in... I honestly don't think any Naruto fan such as myself is going to stop watching the subs, wait a year or 2, then proceed to continue watching. That's not as simple as it may seem to you. Firstly, there must be an interest by the Japanese companies to license said series before it is 100+ eps in. Sometimes they want to wait and see how popular a series is, in order to drive licensing costs up. (as well as to stop reverse imports) Second, it's not like company X just calls up Japanese company Y and says, "Hey, I like that Naruto show, license it to me." Sometimes a certain US and Japanese company will have a good relationship, or the US company will invest in the series, which might give them a leg up. The truth is most of this stuff goes through a bidding process. There are numerous details to be worked out, just like any company, in any field, entering into a contract with another company must do. The process moves on from there. Scripts are written, checked, sent to Japan, reworked, etc. Sometimes the Japanese company(ies) has input into the final VA selection. Dubbing is done as well as SFX and score editing and tweaking. Marketing begins. DVDs are authored, checked, and shipped. Such things take a great amount of time. As for you not stopping watching the subs, that's your choice of course. We are in the age where most people lack the patience to wait for anything to come out, and want it all now. That's your choice, I'm well past arguing such things with people. darkside31337 wrote: And I also disagree with the statement that fansubs are the same thing as bootlegs. They are not the same, in that one is free, and the other gives money soley into the hands of those who had nothing to do with the series. Further, I'm not opposed to downloading fansubs of unlicensed series at all. Once a series is licensed though, I stop. I'm patient, and there are plenty of other unlicensed series to pique my interest until the series gets released here. I wonder where they are buying there DVDs at an average $26, but I assume they are just using MSRP. I also think they are wrong about the DVD release being the death of Naruto sub sites. If anything I think that downloading will increase with the DVD release, as those who have not been downloading get into the series, and are looking to get the higher episodes, instead of waiting for the DVDs to catch up. We'll see how overall sales turn out though.

All I know is I've never seen ANY Naruto before, but I'll watch it on Toonami to see if I even like it, then from there I'll decide whether or not to buy the DVDs.

hikaru004 wrote:

Because the article only focuses on the downloads and not on the other content. Anime Guide Battle Guide Card Game Character Biographies... There is a whole slew of other content on that website. It could survive with that alone.

Do you know how long it's been since NarutoFan actually UPDATED their information database? Like a whole year, the last thing they updated was a biography on Chouji. Nobody works on any written content anymore at the site, they just post when the next episode/chapter of Naruto can be expected and any other Naruto news.

Their information is just really lackluster with nobody updating it on a regular basis. I'm sure NarutoFan could survive with information alone, but they don't have anyone dedicated enough to actually write some.