Forum - View topic

NEWS: 4Kids' Yu-Gi-Oh! License Is Still in Force, Court Rules

luisedgarf wrote:

... More than the U.S. judges will almost always decides towards an American company when Japanese (and East Asian) companies are dealed. ...

Using this case to argue that US courts discriminate against East Asian companies does more to undermine than support the claim. It makes it sound like a face saving excuse for their own lawyers.

I watched enough of the original series when it originally aired on Kids' WB and

From what I understand, the Digimon anime franchise has generally been pretty lucky in its US TV airings, in terms of censoring and voice acting quality. This is especially surprising for Digimon Tamers considering how dark it gets, and how disturbing some of the imagery gets.

Top Gun wrote:

I watched enough of the original series when it originally aired on Kids' WB and

In other words: no, you haven't watch it. You watched some weird 4Kids' travesty that shares the same name.

Also the fact you used the Abridged series as some kind of arguing point to support your side is extremely questionable since most of the jokes on it (before it went down the crapper of pop-culture and self-referencing) stemmed from how ham-fistedly hilarious the dub is with it's editing and changes. I have to question if you even realize what you're saying when you're quoting something that is on the opposite side of your claim.

Now you're just being needlessly ridiculous. Believe it or not, not all shows fall into one of two categories: kiddie crap that has nothing interesting and thus can be chopped up and butchered with no loss to anyone because it's already just kiddie crap, and the greatest masterpiece ever that is so awesome it is too much for mortal minds to comprehend. Some things fall in between those two levels of quality. Actually... nearly everything is between those two levels of quality.

Top Gun wrote:

I watched enough of the original series when it originally aired on Kids' WB and

In other words: no, you haven't watch it. You watched some weird 4Kids' travesty that shares the same name.

Also the fact you used the Abridged series as some kind of arguing point to support your side is extremely questionable since most of the jokes on it (before it went down the crapper of pop-culture and self-referencing) stemmed from how ham-fistedly hilarious the dub is with it's editing and changes. I have to question if you even realize what you're saying when you're quoting something that is on the opposite side of your claim.

Mad_Scientist wrote:

From what I understand, the Digimon anime franchise has generally been pretty lucky in its US TV airings, in terms of censoring and voice acting quality. This is especially surprising for Digimon Tamers considering how dark it gets, and how disturbing some of the imagery gets.

Digimon's dub may not have been as bad as Yu-Gi-Oh, but it was still terrible. The fact they gave Impmon/Beelzebumon an Al Capone-imitation voice pretty much prevents any scene with him in it from being taken seriously or have any successful drama (which is unfortunate, since he's a fairly tragic character), not to mention his main weapon is a gun, which got edited out a lot. To say nothing of the IceDevimon who spoke like Christopher Walken, the Jureimon who sounded like The Godfather, and other stupid 'celebrity sound-alikes' would be for the best (though admittedly probably better than the Mike Tyson sound-alike they gave one character in Yu-Gi-Oh. I honestly have no clue why these dubs are so obsessed with stupid celebrity sound-alikes) Otherwise, yeah, they edited death, sake, sex, and other things as usual. Also those terrible one-liners which always killed the mood. Biggest travesty was the music, though. YGO and Digimon have some of the best anime soundtracks out there.

Well I apologize, TitanXL's comment that basically said, "Oh you didn't see the REAL Yugioh so you have no right to cast judgment on it, because the original is totally, 100% differant!" (it's not really, I'll give you 25% and be generous) pissed me off to no end.

The Digimon dub wasn't as good as the Fullmetal Alchemist and Code Geass dubs, but it was a lot better than the Yugioh dub. Digimon actually acknowledged death and allowed text (which was translated) to be shown. Digimon also in my opinion had a wider cast of voice actors. Heck, i remember in Digimon Season 2 a monster called Deputymon (Revolmon in Japanese) who basically was a living, talking revolver with arms and legs. They showed him on broadcast tv in the morning! Such a thing would never exist in 4kids' world.

Shenl742 wrote:

Well I apologize, TitanXL's comment that basically said, "Oh you didn't see the REAL Yugioh so you have no right to cast judgment on it, because the original is totally, 100% differant!" (it's not really, I'll give you 25% and be generous) pissed me off to no end.

What would you say to someone who only watched 4Kids One Piece and said the show sucked? If you've only seen the dub then you haven't seen the show, simple as that. (At least Luffy's crew got to keep their dreams and stuff, the YGO cast were all gutted of their dreams and everyone's personality was rewritten) The fact 4Kids doesn't even finish their Yu-Gi-Oh series and cuts off the last 30+ episodes alone should give you a warning sign not to trust their handling of it. GX and 5Ds both ended on cliffhangers because 4Kids was in a hurry to skip to the next series, so the confrontation with the final boss was ignored and dropped.

Dude, the only thing 4Kids has done for anime was make Pokemon and YuGiOh into hits. And it's doubtful that it had anything to do with them. They just landed the next collectable craze fad, and the target audience ate it up.

Yeah, but what about, say, Ultimate Muscle and Tokyo Mew Mew uncut on DVD?

Not sure where DBKai got cancelled, 'cus it was a hit in both countries. And moe gets multiple seasons, 'cus it fits empty late-night slots. And as for all anime being produced to sell crap, then explain Mindgame.

Its not really nostalgia if some kids never had the experience, which is possible as time goes by. What you're also saying is that low income kids shouldn't be bothered to be entertained. We have basic TV for all, there should be at least something for the young demographic to watch. If 4Kids go, the only option is PBS and hope they keep their cartoons going along with the funding to keep the channel up.

You'd have to be an absolute and total imbecile if you can't understand the general story or premise behind those shows just because of some edits and bad dialogue. Especially Yugioh

Shenl742 wrote:

You'd have to be an absolute and total imbecile if you can't understand the general story or premise behind those shows just because of some edits and bad dialogue. Especially Yugioh

I hope I'm not the only one who sees the irony of this post

Never judge a show by a 4Kids dub, bro. Anime rule 101. Come back after you watch the original One Piece, Yugioh, and etc. Hope you also don't judge Super Sentai on the awful Power Rangers shows.

I'm just pissed off that certain people are elevating beyond what it was.

You all keep hermorraging over this stuff.