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Mr Mania
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 8:28 pm
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Good to see that its recieved generally positive reviews but its a bit irratating that a few of the reviews feel its necessary to mention Spirited Away as its a completely different type of movie from Bebop
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avius viator
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:14 pm
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Yes, but it makes sense from their standpoint. They are lumping into the general "animation" category. So regardless of the material presented in the film, if its animated it will get compared to all other animated films (from Spirited Away to Disney movies). This is doublely true with Spirited Away since they fall into the even more specific "anime" category. In other words, any kind of animation that comes out of Japan that hits a larger audience WILL be compared to Spirited Away. Due to its win, its one of the few anime films that any large number of people will have seen... and it makes sense to compare to something people will know. It may be a while before they compare an animation film to a sucessful live action film.... 'sigh'
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Animan
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:19 pm
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Who-hoo! Two anime films in the American theater. Three cheers!
I don't know what is being compared between films, but then there is the possibility that more awareness is brought to both films from the mentioning of one or the other, even if they are different.
Out here in L.A. last year we actually had three anime films playing in the theaters in the area. In one weekend we had Metropolis, Escaflowne Movie, and Spriggan playing in your local walk-in theater. I thought that was quite amazing.
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ANN_Bamboo
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:24 pm
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avius viator wrote: | It may be a while before they compare an animation film to a sucessful live action film.... 'sigh' |
Eh... I think that's for the best, to be honest. Truthfully though, if they ever compared an animated film to a live action film in a bad way, people would whine their hearts out and say that it was unfair to compare the two mediums, esp. from two different cultures. Only if they compared the two in a positive way would people be happy. Maybe it's for the best that they just compare two anime movies. After all, people do it all the time. i.e. "Lain has the same dark element as Boogiepop Phantom" or some random statement like that, even though they're not even remotely connected.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:21 pm
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Jeet Heer in the National Post hated it (one star... not sure if that's out of four or five). On the plus side, I guess it's playing in Canada after all, but not here in Montreal just yet.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:50 pm
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Oh, what the hell... since I can't find it anywhere on the web, I'll just type it up here myself... On the plus side, he (?) does review it as a film, rather than as a novelty.
Jeet Heer wrote: |
Sci-fi cartoon shoots blanks
FILM REVIEW
Cowboy Bebop: the Movie
BY JEET HEER
Science fiction is not so much a coherent genre dealing wiht the future as a mix-and-match playing field where different elements from the past for no other reason than sheer childish delight. Think of a little boy with a collection of assorted action figures and dolls- GI Joe, monsters, cowboys and superheroes. If he comes up with a sci-fi scenario, that boy can imagine a world where all his toys interact.
The Star Wars series is perhaps the most successful example of how science fiction relies on the fusion of genres. It contained elements of Arthurian romance (the Jedi Knights and Princess Leia), Western stories about Pioneers on the frontier (Luke's adopted family in the desert planet Tatooine), the bickering buddy picture (Han Solo and Chewbacca), and First World War tales of daring airplane aces (the X-wing fighters that duel with the Imperial fleet), along with many other well-worn cultural tropes.
Based on a cult-favourite Japanese animation television series, Cowboy Bebop: the Movie follows the Star Wars tradition of promiscuously yoking together discordant elements. Set on a densely colonized Mars in the late in the late 21st century, the cartoon follows the adventures of a tema of bounty hunters tracking a bio-terrorist who threatens to release a killer virus. Given the war in Iraq (where biological weapons might be used) and the SARS epidemic, the film is certainly timely in its invocation of contemporary anxiety.
Although screenwriters Keiko Nobumoto and Marc Handler started with a promising premise, the story becomes quickly bogged down in their desire to throw every conceivable cultural trend into the pot. Thus the Mars of the story in a mix between the old West (filled with wannabe cowboys and bounty hunters), the corrupt corporate-dominated world of Philip K. Dick's novels, video games from the 1980s and a Middle Eastern bazaar. In constructing their future, the writers (and director Shinichiro Watanabe) take an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink appraoch. Among the elements that get thrown into the mix: a serial killer sub-plot, hints of the vampire myth and the Christian concept of purgatory, an ambition of corruption, a battle between space ships lifted from Star Wars and an inexplicable thread about war veterans flying old planes. Adding to the confusion is a soundtrack that jumps from slash-and-burn rock to ominous choral music of the sort found in horror movies.
The various members of the bounty-hunting team are also a hodgepodge: Spike Spiegel is a nonchalant mercenary teamed up with the bulky and paternal Jet Black, the sexy but mean-spirited Faye Valentine and wacky Ed Wong. None of these characters is very interesting, so collectively their interactions with each other never rise above the level of bitchy bantering. Moreover, as so often in movies aimed at teenage boys, the female characters exist largely to exhibit T&A fantasies.
As the Star Wars series proves, there is nothing wrong with bringing anachronistic plot elements together so long as you have an overarching narrative vision. Lacking such a connecting vision, Cowboy Bebop is a clangorous and annoying mess. * (one star) |
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Jlbkwrm
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:02 am
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Quote: | Moreover, as so often in movies aimed at teenage boys, the female characters exist largely to exhibit T&A fantasies.
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Yes. Ed, the T&A fantasy of teenaged boys everywhere.
I mean, the fanservice point isn't invalid, but it struck me as funny.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:05 am
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Yes, ha ha... I think he's talking about Faye; the picture accompanying the review in the Post is of Faye with the caption "Bebop's female characters seem to exist only to fulfill teenage fantasies."
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Slim Shinji
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:07 am
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Tenchi wrote: | Oh, what the hell... since I can't find it anywhere on the web, I'll just type it up here myself... On the plus side, he (?) does review it as a film, rather than as a novelty. |
I think he might have liked it a little better if he'd seen the TV series, which judging from the review, he has not. He talks about how the characters are uninteresting. The movie assumes you already know who these people are; there's no new character development for anybody, so if you're new to the series I can see how they might come off as flat.
Not liking the hodge-podge future world is strictly a matter of personal taste, though it would seem most of the critics disagree with him on that point. Overall it looks like it's one of the best-reviewed anime films to come out in the last couple of years.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:11 am
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Yes, he probably hasn't seen the series... the probby is that they still don't show it up here in Canada. I've seen it all, but only because I have all 6 DVDs...
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Animan
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:35 am
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Actually, I found the futurescapes in the TV series far more believable and fantastic than the cityscape of mars in the movie. So I couldn't disagree with the New York Times critic that found the cityscape in the movie uninteresting.
the Rotten Tomatoes critic meter is at 68% which is not bad...not great either but the film is doing well with critics considering that (for me) this is not the best of Bebop by far.
Still, I'm glad to see the film circulating and is possibly picking up new viewers for the TV series.
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v1cious
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:46 am
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the truth is this movie's gonna bomb with most reviewers, cause everybody's not an Otaku, and most average people aren't gonna know what going on.
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Animan
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 1:19 am
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"the truth is this movie's gonna bomb with most reviewers, cause everybody's not an Otaku, and most average people aren't gonna know what going on."
Even if it does bomb, Bebop still will be (and has been) written about in newspapers, talked about on radio, been on cable television, and now exposed and passed around in the movie houses--so it will still make money. Hell, I wish I was getting the bucks this series and this 'bomb' is making.
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radicaledward
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:48 am
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To begin with the quotes from the reviews that I have gripes with:
Quote: | Chicago Sun-Times
Jae-Ha Kim: "Cowboy Bebop: The Movie has nowhere near the level of sophistication exhibited in Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away...but...certainly has its appeal...If you suspend your belief in reality...you can put up with the implausible plot." (** of 4) |
Quote: | Toronto Star
Peter Howell: "From its Dirty Harry beginning to its Blade Runner-meets-12 Monkeys plot, this is refried beens...of interest only to the fanboys who thrill to the stylish nihilism of bounty hunter Spike...and spank monkeys to the slutty vision of his sidekick Faye...doesn't have one-tenth of the vision or visual appeal of Spirited Away, the recent Oscar winner for animated features." (** of 4) |
Now for me to get on my soap box, and start the (hopefully vaild ) complaining. In responce to the reviewer from the Chicago Sun-Times all I have to say to him is that he should not work for a newspaper if he dose not pay attention to the news. With the recent event of the past few years there has been worries about biological or chemical terrorism here in the states, and it has already happened in Japan with the VX on the subway back in the 90's. And its kinda hard to compare a anime such as Cowboy Bebop that has a series behind it as its base for character development to Spirited Away which had to do it all in one shot. Plus, Cowboy Bebop is a different genre than Sprited Away, and within its own genre it dose display its own sophistication. And in regards to the Toronto Star: first I am insulted to be called a fanboy But also, Spike dosn't pratice nihilism (nihilism - n, latin for nothing: 1. A doctrine that all values are worthless and that nothing is knowable or can be communicated 2. Rejection of all distinctions in moral value, constituting a willingness to refute all previous theories of morality 3. The belife that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement) and no I dont "spank monkeys to the slutty vision of Faye", and I've already said my peice about Sprited Away =/= Cowboy Bebop.
-> Steps off soap box
I think we can expect to see alot of anime in the future being held up to comparison againts Sprited Away regardless of the fact that most anime are not in the same relem of Sprited Away. If Escaflowne (or any other anime that you like) had come out after Sprited Away would it fail to not be a good movie because it is not Sprited Away?
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Mr Mania
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:07 am
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"the truth is this movie's gonna bomb with most reviewers"
Well no,I think we have established that that isan't the case,its recieved generally positive reviews thus far
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