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Haiseikoh 1973
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It's little adhesive "stickers" that cover up the nipples. The most well known ones were worn by Burlesque Dancers in the 1930's-1940's and had little tassles on them. Also putting Electrical/Masking/Duct Tape would technically be called "pasties." |
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Izlude
Posts: 323 Location: Wherever The Wind Takes Me |
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Well, you can always whip out the white-out, erase the stars and draw your own nipples, big as you want!
It's like the Zoro >> Zolo thing, turn that L into a R baby! >_> Although I like Tokyopop's idea of shrinkwrapping small pieces of paper with the characters names of them. |
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Treeloot
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I'm kind of surprised Viz is censoring the I"s manga. They released uncensored Dragonball with full breasts shown, and kids and teens are going to be a LOT more likely to pick up Dragonball than I"s.
I think I'll wait for an uncut version of I"s, since I think they'll probably release one. |
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Momitchan
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Well, first off, let me just say that I am not at all a fan of the censorship, especially in yami. However, I can understand why Viz did it. It is almost definitely not for any religious reasons, but rather for sales. Whereas the censhorship of Tenjou Tenge by CMX was completely unaccaptable (TT is a well known adult series), Yami is, for the most part, a young-teen to older-teen manga (with the exception of vol.4). What this means is that up until this volume, the manga has been aimed towards a wider audience (therefore, more sales). The thing that most people don't realise is that when you shrink wrap a manga and mark it adult (just like when a movie gets an NC-17 rating) sales go way down because now not as many people can buy it.
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Treeloot
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Ok, I know this is going to sound really perverted, even though I don't intend for it to, but does anyone have a picture of the edits?
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Alice 19th, Hot Gimmick, Video Girl Ai, Ranma 1/2. All are published by Viz. All of them are rated for "older teens", just as the I"s manga is rated for older teens. All of them show nipples. With all the panty shots (including cameltoe) and sexually suggestive poses left in I"s, it's no less objectionable than having left a nipple in there. I'm sure parents who would object to the nipple would also object to the rest of the fanservice. Ergo, they aren't any more likely to buy it even with the nipples painted over - or even removed. It seems like they aren't being consistent with their prior policies.
The problem is that adult manga doesn't really compare to NC-17 movies - they are marketed differently. Battle Royale and Berserk have sold quite successfully, and even the shrinkwrapped Negima seems to be doing well enough. Obviously if the shinkwrapped - "adults only" marketing wasn't working, Tokyopop, Dark Horse, and Del Rey would have changed things already. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=933200&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=9#Post936098 should help you out. |
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Kagemusha
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Two words explain this example of censorship: Shonen and Jump. Viz is trying to sell I"s as a SJ title, "Advance" label or not. They're going to be advertising it in SJ, and alot of their younger readers are going to be picking it up. Rather than having nudity limit their younger readers, they'd rather slightly censor it and run the risk of alienating hardcore readers. I doubt they'd do this to any other of their titles, so I'm not really concerned. I never liked I"s, and it doesn't seem like their censoring so much that it negativly affects the manga (like Tokyopop used to).
While very stupid, I could see why CMX would make that call. Personally, I don't think TT is all that adult oriented (for the first 5 volumes at least). It's basically violence and fanservice, so I'm assuming CMX figured the lack of substance would turn off an adult readership. Unfortunatally, they somehow didn't take into account the devoted fanbase (which is stupid since that was probobly one of the reasons they licenced it) that disowned the CMX version. |
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GATSU
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Izlude: The Zolo/Zoro thing most likely has to do with trademark issues with the real Zorro. Viz could get away with it before the anime, but now they have to be careful. (It doesn't exactly help that a sequel to the Banderas film is still in the works, albeit in development hell.) Also, I still read Ultimate Muscle, in spite of the name changes, cus wrestlers change their names all the time. But the Satan/Hercule name change is just lame.
Kagemusha: Moral issues aside, the problem with editing media for a wider audience than intended is you usually alienate the fanbase and rarely attract a larger demographic. I mean if stories are true about Tenjho Tenge losing money, than it probably only appeals to older readers anyway. Likewise, I'm not sure how kids who like DBZ and Yu Gi Oh are going to instantly latch on to I"s. At least Video Girl Ai had fantasy elements, but I"s is based in the real world, and I only see a few manga in those categories actually selling. |
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Awesome Possum
Posts: 26 Location: Oklahoma |
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I was thinking that and going to post that if no one else mentioned it, though I only knew of Ranma ½ and Hot Gimmick with that. Why didn't anyone think of Ranma? Some of the posts sounded as if they thought Viz was some new company. |
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quincyarcher
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What gets me is VGA *is* by the same author as I"s, and I *know* the books I picked up of it today certainly weren't edited. Not to mention, Viz has many of Shinjo Mayu's properties(a majority of which have rape situations, albiet with bizarre editing of their own from the Japanese side). |
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s_j
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I was under the impression that VGAi was modified, although with nothing nearly as bad as the stars we are seeing in I"s. I could be wrong...
The difference between VGAi and I"s is that when they released VGAi, Viz was still a niche company. That's not the case now, and Viz, along with the rest of the manga industry (and media as a whole), is under more scrutiny than ever. They simply are adapting their policies to fit an increasingly hostile social climate. I still think their motivation is not greed, as some have implied. Besides, there's no way they did not notice the whole uproar with CMX to think that censoring in order to give the book a lower age rating would boost sales. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Haiseikoh 1973
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And Terri Schiavo. Hell, they came in on a SUNDAY to try and save her!! A Sunday!! ![]() |
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s_j
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Godaistudios-->
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I've not gotten to issue 7...back then I quit buying Viz TPBs because binding of the books were shoddy and kept falling apart at the spines. As for your AOD post...I don't think the government is interested in going after comics, either. What I am pointing out is that there is a *perceived* shift towards social conservatism, and moral crusaders have been much more vocal as of late, having been imboldened by Bush's victory. There is no argument on this front, as it is a very easily observable fact, one which the crusaders themselves trumpet rather often. And speech-related cases have been in the news much more often...from FCC's fining of TV and radio stations, to the various obscenity cases brought against online porn peddlers, and including the Jesus Castillo, and the current Gordon Lee case in Georgia. On top of that, cartoonists have been fired for having 'overly-liberal' views, producers at PBS have lost their jobs for showing non-traditional families in a animated show, and the proliferation of a myriad of bad public display laws in several states. I could go on...how can anyone say there is absolutely no fallout, no effect from the moral right? In other words, it IS happening already. To say otherwise would be to turn a blind eye to all of these events, legal and otherwise. (Think none of that has a trickle down effect? Fox censored a buttocks shot in a recent rerun of Family Guy. Viz censoring nipples suddenly doesn't seem so silly in comparison.) The larger any company becomes, the more money and people it becomes responsible for, and the more lawyers and PR people it has. Over-sensitive, panicky lawyers. Lawyers that try to limit any kind of liability and absolve any kind of fault. Viz won't get sued, but they'll play it safe anyway. Because drawing the ire of any vocal moral crusader is just as bad. As Postmodernbarney has put it very eloquently, they don't need the attention of a Bill O'Reilly. They're not greedy, just cowardly (which, of course, still ties into the bottom line in the end.) But this is just a symptom of any large company, certainly not unique to Viz. To attribute this simply to greed on their part is not looking at the whole picture. Last edited by s_j on Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:58 am; edited 1 time in total |
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