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Teen Titans Anime, or not


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Twilight Dragon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:23 pm Reply with quote
Is Teen Titans anime? This has been bugin me for quite some time. Its startin to get to the point of go away and com back later. So if you have any clue please post here.

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biliano



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:40 pm Reply with quote
Teen Titans is not anime. It does have some characteristics of anime (such as anime veins in their heads when mad, big eyes, speed lines during fights, etc.), but the cartoon was created by Warner Brothers (who owns DC Comics, which has the Teen Titans franchise) in the USA. WB is just trying to take advantage of the anime invasion in the USA by infusing one of their properties with as much anime style as possible. The show is very good, though. Wink
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jsyxx





PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:18 pm Reply with quote
Teen Titans is anime. By definition anything animated is anime in Japan. And the Japanese know anime since they're the ones who make it. So theres your answer.
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beelzebozo



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:50 pm Reply with quote
Teen Titans is NOT anime. Even the Japanese are using the term anime more for their own animation. Teen Titans is an American production by an American company about an American comic book. Using Puffy-Yumi doesn't make it anime any more than have Mr. Big playing on Hellsing makes it American.

And as a fan of the original George Perez version, Teen Titans SUCKS!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:59 pm Reply with quote
J-Syxx wrote:
Teen Titans is anime. By definition anything animated is anime in Japan.

By that definition, every single title from Disney, WB, or even South Park and The Simpsons are considered anime. Rolling Eyes

I wouldn't call it wrong, for that's how they were called in Japan. However, that's not how people outside Japan (such as English speakers at ANN) would define the word "anime." As biliano said, there's no Japanese company or staff involved. Correct me if I were wrong, but IMHO Glen Murakami is more a Japanese American than a Japanese.

beelzebozo wrote:
Using Puffy-Yumi doesn't make it anime any more than have Mr. Big playing on Hellsing makes it American.

Seconded. Using Take Me Home, Country Roads by John Denver / Olivia Newton-John as the opening theme (and spoiler[one of the major themes of the entire movie]) did not make Whisper of the Heart American either.
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gracefulneptune



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:45 pm Reply with quote
Technically no, its not anime. It looks like anime but anime classified by

Cartoons made in Japan

So Teen Titens doesn't count

But hey, you can still watch it!
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gracefulneptune



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:46 pm Reply with quote
Technically no, its not anime. It looks like anime but anime classified by

Cartoons made in Japan

So Teen Titens doesn't count

But hey, you can still watch it!
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Akumajou



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:34 am Reply with quote
beelzebozo wrote:
And as a fan of the original George Perez version, Teen Titans SUCKS!!!


Could you imagine if it really was adapted by an actual Japanese Anime studio using George Perez's work as a base or a total adaptation? It would be lost in translation IMO.

If Filmation still existed and they would have progressed to Todd MacFarlane levels, I bet a true adaptation of the George Perez works complete with Brother Blood saga.

Then again even Todd MacFarlane would have made an animation studio similar to how Filmation used to be but modern, then Teen Titans as a George Perez adaptation would probably be perfect and in todays animation standards, it would have become an Adult Swim show.
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Ohoni



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:03 am Reply with quote
No, Teen Titans is not anime. Some elements (such as the action shots) they borrow honestly, and some elements (like the comedy "takes") they rip-off, and poorly, from anime. Overall, the show has improved year after year, until it's now almost as good as JLU (if you drop about half the episodes out of each season and turn away when they try to be "funny").

Still, not anime. Anime comes from Japan, with Japanese character designs, and Japanese writers. Titans is at best "Japan-esc", like any of the "manga" produced in America by American artists, who are simply attempting to mimic the Japanese manga style.

Also, a George Perez based Titans show would be suicidal. That material is quite outdated and only shines through the haze of twenty years of nostalgia (although some of the core ideas were very good). Now on the other hand, a Geoff Johns-based Titans show would be excelent. I think it would have been cool if Titans East had included Superboy, Wonder Girl, and Kid Flash.
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lyger



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:52 am Reply with quote
Teen Titans is cartoon which rips off anime

end of story
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the_soultaker



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:06 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
J-Syxx wrote:
Teen Titans is anime. By definition anything animated is anime in Japan.

By that definition, every single title from Disney, WB, or even South Park and The Simpsons are considered anime. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, along with G.I.Joe,Batman TAS,Superman and the 90's Spiderman series which were animated in Japan. Wink lol

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Teen Titans is cartoon which rips off anime

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No, Teen Titans is not anime. Some elements (such as the action shots) they borrow honestly, and some elements (like the comedy "takes") they rip-off, and poorly, from anime. Overall, the show has improved year after year, until it's now almost as good as JLU (if you drop about half the episodes out of each season and turn away when they try to be "funny").

Still, not anime. Anime comes from Japan, with Japanese character designs, and Japanese writers.


Iv'e been saying this for the longest. So i'm glad that some,if not most of us are on the same page regarding this sentiment.

Next thing ya know, is someone will ask if Totally spies qualifies as an Anime. Rolling Eyes
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beelzebozo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:45 am Reply with quote
Ohoni wrote:
Also, a George Perez based Titans show would be suicidal. That material is quite outdated and only shines through the haze of twenty years of nostalgia (although some of the core ideas were very good). Now on the other hand, a Geoff Johns-based Titans show would be excelent. I think it would have been cool if Titans East had included Superboy, Wonder Girl, and Kid Flash.


Well, my beef is that they changed the character designs around so much. Raven and Starfire were always these drop-dead bombshells and to see them like this is about as bad as Lucas raping my childhood.

Standard comic book designs are possible in animation, just look at the later Superfriends/Super Powers Team. Even GI Joe (by Toei Animation) looked like standard American comic book designs. The Batman TAS look was fine for Batman, but I wish they'd drop it.

They shouldn't have made them Teen Titans. They should have just done Young Justice and been done with it. The kids are about the right age as shown in the TT cartoon and it would have felt better. If they were going to do it this way,they should have just called it SD Teen Titans.
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jsyxx





PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:22 pm Reply with quote
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Next thing ya know, is someone will ask if Totally spies qualifies as an Anime.

Best show ever! Yea, I was just kinda being an ass with my earlier comment, but its true. Anime vs. Cartoons is the dorkiest, most moronic, anoying debate among nerdom.
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Akumajou



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Ohoni wrote:
Also, a George Perez based Titans show would be suicidal. That material is quite outdated and only shines through the haze of twenty years of nostalgia (although some of the core ideas were very good). Now on the other hand, a Geoff Johns-based Titans show would be excelent. I think it would have been cool if Titans East had included Superboy, Wonder Girl, and Kid Flash.


Pure blasphemy, Brother Blood says pure blasphemy.

beelzebozo wrote:

Well, my beef is that they changed the character designs around so much. Raven and Starfire were always these drop-dead bombshells and to see them like this is about as bad as Lucas raping my childhood.


Thats because George Perez knew what a teenager is when drawing the classic Teen Titan comics, comics SPOILERS bellow:

Starfire learns English by French kissing Robin the boy wonder who were both around 16 to 18 years old with fully developed and athletic bodies to match their age, thats why Starfire looked so good.

Raven I believe was supposed to be older than 17 to 19, probably the oldest in the comic unless Cyborg was older and likewise she had a body to match her age.

Have you seen what a well developed 16 to 18 year old girl looks like lately or even back in the 70s and 80s?

Basically the comic was supposed to appeal to High School kids and probably Junior High kids who would be aware of day to day issues.

As a matter of fact Gar aka the Changelling had hair in his chest just like any developing teen ager would have even today.

However the current Teen Titans show is really more like a Pre-Teen Titans show if you think about it.

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Standard comic book designs are possible in animation, just look at the later Superfriends/Super Powers Team. Even GI Joe (by Toei Animation) looked like standard American comic book designs. The Batman TAS look was fine for Batman, but I wish they'd drop it.


They could also have animated the show in CGI like Max Steel and the other show about Stunts from a couple of years ago only with much more modern CGI animation of today, kept it true to the Marv Wolfman & George Perez classic right down to the Wonder Girl and Super Girl appearances and worked all the way up to the truth about Troy storyline that is not really outdated, its just that it needs to be made to see what will happen because the explanations were explained in the comic. However the show would then become something falling into the Robotech or Adult Swim because of today's much more conservatively extremist US culture.

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They shouldn't have made them Teen Titans. They should have just done Young Justice and been done with it. The kids are about the right age as shown in the TT cartoon and it would have felt better. If they were going to do it this way,they should have just called it SD Teen Titans.


They should have called the show "Totally Spies" or better yet "Pre-Teen Titans" or just the "Toddler Titans" because that is just what they are.

I also feel that the show some how insults anime because it goes overboard with the exagerated animation.

PS Deathstroke The Terminator or "Slade" as he is called in the show is a joke compared to the comic classic.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:42 pm Reply with quote
the_soultaker wrote:
Yeah, along with G.I.Joe,Batman TAS,Superman and the 90's Spiderman series which were animated in Japan. Wink lol



Actually, the sunrise-based Batman TAS episodes were few and far between, and a majority of the time they did not actually use any Japanese staff. G.I.Joe falls into the same category as Transformers, in where Hasbro/Sunbow occasionally used Toei for outsourcing, but all of the main, important work was conducted at Sunbow. (note the in ending credits for several Transformers episodes, it only credits Toei in a "special thanks to" position. I'd be more than glad to provide screenshots, as it basically falls right under the same category as G.I.Joe anyway)
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