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NEWS: Big O BD Box to Include English Dub/Sub in Japan


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Raikuro



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:34 pm Reply with quote
That is for all 26 episodes, right? The English release seems to refuse to put the 2 parts together into one set, so I would want this if it is the whole thing. Though idk about that price tag...
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Bandai Visual ad. twitter account confirmed English subtitles. He also confirmed that it is not HD telecine master (source)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:29 am Reply with quote
Raikuro wrote:
That is for all 26 episodes, right? The English release seems to refuse to put the 2 parts together into one set, so I would want this if it is the whole thing. Though idk about that price tag...


Well, the two releases are just two alpha packs and they do look nice. Also if you want to pick them up, they are on sale at TSRI for $24 each.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:16 am Reply with quote
No complaints about no English subtitles?! Laughing
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Bandai Visual ad. twitter account confirmed English subtitles. He also confirmed that it is not HD telecine master (source)


What does the "not HD telecine master" mean? Is the visual upgrade not going to be that good or something?

Also, I hope someone picks this up for license. Otherwise, I'd better start saving.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:49 am Reply with quote
Vapors wrote:
What does the "not HD telecine master" mean? Is the visual upgrade not going to be that good or something?

The first season was done on film so what no HD telecine master means is that they are just upscaling the SD masters instead of remastering it in HD.

The second season was digitally animated so that will be an upscale regardless.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:07 am Reply with quote
chronoclast wrote:
Vapors wrote:
What does the "not HD telecine master" mean? Is the visual upgrade not going to be that good or something?

The first season was done on film so what no HD telecine master means is that they are just upscaling the SD masters instead of remastering it in HD.

The second season was digitally animated so that will be an upscale regardless.


What a joke. I hope this isn't how they handle Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, and Outlaw Star when their BDs inevitably come.
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walw6pK4Alo wrote:
What a joke. I hope this isn't how they handle Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, and Outlaw Star when their BDs inevitably come.

No worries on those actually. Bebop, Escaflowne, and Outlaw Star all already have HD remasters that were released on DVD in Japan. So whenever Bandai Visual decides to do Blu-ray releases for them, they are good to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:03 am Reply with quote
Do people actually still buy bigO stuff?
I know there were a few different DVD packages released
the only bigO thing that interests me is the dorothy figma, but I probably won't get it
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:35 am Reply with quote
Also, the first season OP won't be included, the second season OP will be substituted for it across both seasons.

chronoclast wrote:
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
What a joke. I hope this isn't how they handle Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, and Outlaw Star when their BDs inevitably come.

No worries on those actually. Bebop, Escaflowne, and Outlaw Star all already have HD remasters that were released on DVD in Japan. So whenever Bandai Visual decides to do Blu-ray releases for them, they are good to go.
I'm not so sure. I can't speak for Outlaw star, but Escaflowne had several digitally composited scenes and frequent digital effects (the 'invisibility cloaks' for example), and Cowboy Bebop had several digital shots, mainly of the Bebop in the jump gates, that have been confirmed to be SD-only.
The choice is between a HD master that occasionally drops back to upscaled SD, very expensive reanimation of anything that is not HD (may not even be possible as it's unlikely the original elements are available after all this time), or a consistent SD upscale throughout.
The first option is evidently preferable, but the third is definitely the cheaper route.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:29 am Reply with quote
edzieba wrote:
I'm not so sure...


You bring up a non-issue. It isn't as if there are separate masters for digital and film portions. Any digital effect shots were printed onto film at the time those series were made; they will just look softer than the rest of the show since they were rendered in SD resolution. But technically those scenes weren't upscaled for the HD telecine; any "scaling" was done over a decade ago.

But this is along with talk of cheap or expensive is moot at this point. The investment has already been made and HD telecines for those shows have already been done. All that's left is for Bandai Visual to decide to release them on BD.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:19 am Reply with quote
hissatsu01 wrote:
But this is along with talk of cheap or expensive is moot at this point. The investment has already been made and HD telecines for those shows have already been done. All that's left is for Bandai Visual to decide to release them on BD.
Barring technical (I wouldn't be surprised if some of those HD remasters are 1080i) and licensing issues with the masters, of course. If it's a 'HD remaster' that's only ever been seen on a DVD, well, I'll believe it when I see it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:07 pm Reply with quote
Wasn't The Big O digitally animated, though? It was one of those titles that nobody seemed to be quite sure about.

Either way, hopefully BV is willing to re-release the same discs in North America for an under $200 price point. Big O is a good title to test the waters with for the titles that are bound to be heavy hitters in the west.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:26 pm Reply with quote
edzieba wrote:
Barring technical (I wouldn't be surprised if some of those HD remasters are 1080i) and licensing issues with the masters, of course. If it's a 'HD remaster' that's only ever been seen on a DVD, well, I'll believe it when I see it.


You mean like the all of Patlabor, which got an HD telecine for the Memorial DVD Box, then was released in BD? You could even bring up the same issue with CG for Patlabor - around 20 episodes or so use a 3DCG sequence during the opening narration. It certainly had no effect on the rest of the footage being in HD. If Bandai Visual (or any other Japanese company) says they've done an HD telecine for a DVD release, they mean it, and you won't find any evidence that they're lying other than paranoia. There are no cases where a company said the did an HD telecine for a DVD release and then when the BD is released it turns out they didn't.

Nor will you find any 1080i releases that come from an HD telecines - all 1080i releases come from video, not film. 1080i on blu-ray is for content animated at 30fps (or 60fps interlaced video), and no film based anime was. The first clue something was wrong with the Big O BD box was that the specs listed it as 1080i for the whole show, which meant they used the same video masters as before and didn't go back to film for the first season.

Pepperidge wrote:
Wasn't The Big O digitally animated, though? It was one of those titles that nobody seemed to be quite sure about.


All it requires is eyes to see the difference. First season is almost entirely film based, second season is all digital aside from flashbacks/reused footage from the first.

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Either way, hopefully BV is willing to re-release the same discs in North America for an under $200 price point. Big O is a good title to test the waters with for the titles that are bound to be heavy hitters in the west.


I hope not. Let them do that with a release that isn't a disappointment right off the bat. If they don't think it's worth spending the money to do a HD telecine for something film based, then I don't think it's worth spending the money on their release.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Big O! Showt..i.. for 400 bucks? That's a Big O no-no. Maybe if they removed one of the zeros...
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