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INTEREST: Sailor Moon's Takeuchi Draws Messages for Quake Area

When people say its the thought that counts, they don't really mean the effort, they don't really mean the money, they don't' even really mean the time. They mean that what should really count is that the other person cares, and that you in return should not care about anything else but the fact that they thought of you or someone else.

1. Black and white =/= sketch. A fully shaded drawing with obvious effort and attention to detail put into it does not become a sketch, simply because it's in black and white. They're not saying the problem is that it's in black and white. The problem is that it lacks effort, that it is a sketch. Sketch - n. a simply or hastily executed drawing or painting, especially a preliminary one, giving the essential features without the details. It's not even shaded a little. It's just a sketch.

2. And, actually, they had and still do recolor black and white movies. It's a tedious process, but I do believe it goes over well.

3. Someone had complained about Tite Kubo not putting much effort into his contribution, while I thought it looked fine. Because he put effort. He at least scanned his picture, never mind the fact that he actually bothered coloring and inking it. He made an animation, for Pete's sake! He didn't just doodle in a sketchbook and take a picture with his digital camera of an obvious work-in-progress. I'm pretty disappointed in Ms. Takeuchi.

What Tite Kubo did I can pretty much guarantee you didn't take him more than an hour - and honestly I thought it was incredibly bad taste to have a shinigami as your "message of hope and support" for quake and tsunami victims. I don't thinka lot of thought went into his submission.

littlegreenwolf wrote:

What Tite Kubo did I can pretty much guarantee you didn't take him more than an hour - and honestly I thought it was incredibly bad taste to have a shinigami as your "message of hope and support" for quake and tsunami victims. I don't thinka lot of thought went into his submission.

Oh come on now, this is just getting ridiculous. Yes, how tasteless it was for Kubo to use the freaking main character from his manga for his message?

Mad_Scientist wrote:

littlegreenwolf wrote: What Tite Kubo did I can pretty much guarantee you didn't take him more than an hour - and honestly I thought it was incredibly bad taste to have a shinigami as your "message of hope and support" for quake and tsunami victims. I don't thinka lot of thought went into his submission. Oh come on now, this is just getting ridiculous. Yes, how tasteless it was for Kubo to use the freaking main character from his manga for his message?

He didn't have to be in the shinigami costume. Really, they have other clothes, but no, you're essentially sending someone, someone possibly grieving or who just lived through a traumatic event - a picture of a grim reaper - a grim reaper holding out a hand to them, as an attempt to comfort them. I'm sorry, but there's some bad taste there. Oh sure, not everyone will see it as that, but some will. Call it ridiculous if you want too, but if you can't actually think about what you're looking at, you shouldn't be trying to judge art to begin with.

I just happened to have interpreted Kubo's image as something bordering on a sick joke. Sure he probably didn't intend for it to be so, but that's just how his work translated with me. Then again I'm one for morbid humor.

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There are probably better things to do than argue over the internet about it >.>

What Takeuchi has there are what look to me rather finished line art pieces. Whatmore we have no less than three pieces, where half the stuff we got from the other artist were quick little single pieces - the only difference with them is some of them did it on a tablet. I can tell you right now that's not a lot of effort, and can take literally minutes depending on the artist.

Uh... please correct me if I misunderstood but are you saying that because those artists worked digitally, it automatically means that they don't put as much effort into their drawing as opposed to an artist working with traditional tools? You do know that drawing with a tablet takes a lot of skill/effort and working digitally doesn't make everything magically easier.

Once you know how to use it it makes everything faster, and easier. So skill, yes - Effort? Not really. Learning it only takes weeks, if not days, and if you know the program you use, you just slap on a few layers here, and viola, you've got a picture within an hour (depends on the artist's style and technique, but for regular manga/anime style doodles without much shading or line detail- not a lot). If you don't know how to use it (tablet or the program), it can take days, but I'm fairly confident in anyone's skills with a tablet if they call themselves a professional illustrator of any sort in this day and age. There are the few that stay traditional media only, but yeah... hour pieces at the most.

littlegreenwolf wrote:

Once you know how to use it it makes everything faster, and easier. So skill, yes - Effort? Not really. Learning it only takes weeks, if not days, and if you know the program you use, you just slap on a few layers here, and viola, you've got a picture within an hour (depends on the artist's style and technique, but for regular manga/anime style doodles without much shading or line detail- not a lot). If you don't know how to use it (tablet or the program), it can take days, but I'm fairly confident in anyone's skills with a tablet if they call themselves a professional illustrator of any sort in this day and age.

Um, wow. I bet you have never drawn anything digitally yourself before, eh? Just because drawing digitally is more convenient does not mean that no effort is invested into the drawing. It's not as easy as "slapping a few layers here and there".

Seriously? I'm curious to know about your experience with drawing digitally. Care to give an example?

As someone who dabbles in both digital and traditional art and enjoys meshing both mediums together, let me tell you that I have to expend more time and effort when inking on the computer. Digital gives you layers and smoothness but you have to work harder to emulate the organic feeling and texture of traditional media - and sometimes it can't be obtained.

For some it can only take days to learning to use the tablet. But others can take weeks, months, or never at all. An artist can churn out a beautiful drawing in an hour because of their skill and confidence irregardless of medium.

Honestly, at the end of the day, it's not important how much time, how much detail, or what tool an artist spends on a drawing. It's the context, the meaning, and intent of the art that's what makes it memorable. Which - to go back on topic - is something that I find lacking in Takeuchi's sketches. She can do better, she's capable of doing something much more emotional than this.

Yeah, I agree, if you're going for a loose ink - bamboo pen fill, you've got to work at it. But anything else? Paths and pen tool, with various adjustments here or there if you're going for variation in line thickness. Hell, if you wanted to be real cheap and quick about it you can have Adobe Illustrator do all the work for you with tools like live trace. we're talking about straight inking and coloring - manga/anime style like the examples given by the various manga-ka - and that just so happens to be what a lot of manga-ka do now with stuff they post online and on their blogs. Those don't take long, and if you're as experienced in it as you claim, I don't know why you're trying to argue otherwise. You just trace over your drawing/sketch with your mouse, and then you have an inked drawing.

Yeah, I'm defending Takeuchi's drawings here - I don't have a problem with the subjects or poses because like just about every other submission from other manga artist, there's vary little there in terms of emotion or pose as well. Just a character, that each artist draws a hundred times a month, standing there smiling. I don't see why Takeuchi should get bashed around for it when it's not different than the other stuff we've seen.

Isn't the important thing here that she's all right and everything is somewhat okay for her to be able to draw these? Sketches or not, it's still a drawing and still art. I'm sure Takeuchi didn't draw these so everyone could argue over them. I have no problem with them whatsoever. In fact, I prefer to see sketches most of the time.